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storytellinganimal · 13/10/2013 11:55

To animals in medical research labs

Guardian article

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Ghostlygirl · 13/10/2013 12:25

I was scared to click on this, I thought the article would be harrowing, but I clicked and read it. The article appears to be pointing out that the animals are cared for. What's your opinion, storytellinganimal, are you for or against?

SocialButterfly · 13/10/2013 12:47

I read it, as pp said are you for or against? You can't post a link without some explanation of which side you are sitting on. It seems they are well looked after and although in an ideal world using animals wouldn't be necessary they are doing research that will benefit many many humans.

GatoradeMeBitch · 13/10/2013 14:12

Well, we either test on animals, or on humans - and I don't see people lining up to be injected with Parkinsons.

In all honesty, I am pro-testing when it comes to medical research. I hate beauty testing on animals, especially when it's very unnecessary and is only done for insurance reasons, but I won't be a hypocrite about medical research. Unless you would refuse treatment and medication, you have to accept that the research needs to be done.

storytellinganimal · 13/10/2013 16:26

Against all animal testing.

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LackingEnergy · 13/10/2013 16:46

To be honest we are using less and less animals in research and most of the ones we do use can be reused.

Yes animals are not exactly like humans which is why shoving stuff in rabbits eyes makes F all sense since the data collected is virtually useless due to the massive difference in our eyes and the rabbits.

We discussed the ethics of animal testing some years ago at uni and were asked to come up with alternatives:

Using computers to simulate the human body. Not as affective as you'd think but it is currently being used as an alternative to animals

Reducing and reusing the animals where possible - already being done

Using death row inmates (limits research to areas with the death penalty). Breach of human rights? To have done something worthy of a death penalty should they even have rights anymore?

Using people in a permanent vegetative state but you'd have the same problem as with the animals - they can't tell you what they feel but the data collected would at least be accurate. They wouldn't be able to consent and there is a grey area of whether they are aware of what is going on around them

The animals don't have the best lives in the world but unless people become available for testing or computer simulation improves I can't see an alternative

SunshineSuperNova · 13/10/2013 16:47

Beauty testing has been banned in the UK since 1992, thank goodness.

I'm pro animal testing for medical research. My life has been saved through operations and medication, none of which would have happened if animal testing were not used. I'd love for animal testing to be unnecessary, but I don't think we're there yet.

Rosduk · 13/10/2013 16:58

I used to be against medical animal testing until I realised the inhalers and steroids that have saved my life on a few occasions were tested on guinea pigs- now I am grateful that I can live my daily life comfortably although I wish there was another way.

As another poster said- unless human testing is used there are no other alternatives.

SunshineSuperNova · 13/10/2013 17:00

My mistake, cosmetic testing has been banned in the UK since 1998. However it is still allowed elsewhere, which is not good.

phantomnamechanger · 13/10/2013 17:06

I draw a distinction between cruelty to animals for the sake of it (often neglect by idiot owners who profess to be animal lovers, or the morons who torture animals to get their kicks) and medical research. Another poster had it - would you refuse a medication or treatment for yourself or your DP, or child, if you knew that it was borne from animal testing? I wouldn't!

Morgause · 13/10/2013 17:09

I'm all in favour of medical research using animals. Less so for cosmetics.

A few family members would be dead without research done on animals so I think it's a good thing, on the whole. Humans matter more than animals.

BecauseYoureGorgeous · 13/10/2013 17:10

YANBU

gordyslovesheep · 13/10/2013 17:14

I'm not sure I understand your post - lets us all know what? I knew animal testing was going on - I am not opposed to it...

storytellinganimal · 13/10/2013 18:31

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WalkingDeadFan · 13/10/2013 18:39

OP

Have you ever needed treatment that would only have been available due to previous animal testing? What about one of your kids? Or a parent?

If any of these people needed treatment of that sort in the future would you refuse it?

hiddenhome · 13/10/2013 18:47

storytellinganimal I sincerely hope you never take any medications or consent to any medical treatment in the future, even if it means it will save your life. The same goes for any kids you might have too.

The same goes for: deodorants, make up, household chemicals, shampoo, hair treatments etc. You must never use any of these either Hmm

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