To assume everyone who quotes the WHO bf guidelines

[DontPanicMrMannering]

Also immunises?

What with recommended immunisation schedules being set by the WHO too?

Agree also OP. Fair boils my piss it does. Just to add fuel to the flames, we could add in co-sleeping guidelines too...

Well, doesn't the bf give DC lots of immunity already? No need for nasty, awful, "poisonous" chemicals..

Faverolles can we only have aibu on majority subjects? Only that will stuff most of the more fun and bonkers threads on here.

And yes that's absolutely fine, well within WHO guidelines :)

I have several friends who are on fb, who constantly post totally unscientific articles about how everything we use is killing us. And one leaves comments on posts such as suggesting a special tea instead of the antibiotics for an infection that another friend says she is taking.

I think being sceptical about medicine is healthy. Guidelines change, because they do get things wrong. But going the other way were you believe any dire warnings about modern medicines, is not helpfdul either.

I'm still BF a 3.5 yo who is vaccinated.

Yanbu.

What people don't look at is that the WHO are thinking about tge entire world. Ofcourse it is sensible to bf for as long as possible if you have no access to clean water or an unreliable food supply. Ofcourse it is prudent to immunize your children if they are malnourished or you live in an area where outbreaks are common. If you live in a country where clean water and food are not in short supply and where there are very rarely outbreaks of diseases are nearly unheard of then it doesn't have to be such an issue.

I exclusively breastfed until 6 months I intended to bf until ds self weans and he has had all of his vaccinations ( and more) so far.

Not sure what is 'militant' about breastfeeding a baby

Fwiw, I'm bfing a 3 year old who is vaccinated everything it's possible to be vaccinated aganst on the current NHS schedule, including the latest flu vax.

What does the WHO say about co-sleeping? We co-sleep (not everyday anymore), is that not recommended anymore? Last time I checked it was encouraged, particularly for those BFIng.

Well this sample of two parents, two children certainly do. Bf to 3 or 4. Follow the vaccine schedule perfectly

So using the same logic, does that mean that every women who doesn't follow the BF guidelines isn't allowed to immunise their child because god forbid they choose not to follow one piece of advice but do follow another...

I didn't realise you either do everything the guidelines say or none of them?!

Bf first till 2.8 years and still bf 22 month old on demand and both fully vac and coslept with first till 3yo and ongoing with 22 month old.

No science tesurch is 100% as its all still on going but i do try to reasurch the lates findings and follow them to give my children the best start in life as that my responsability as a mun.

I also only give them water or milk and we all eat 5+ fruit and veg per day and follow the healthy meal plate and we all get 60 miunts of exerise a day.

But i respect the right of other people to do things different and support equality and diversity in life. It would be boreing if we all did the same thing and no improvement would be found.

The 'WHO guidelines' are misunderstood, anyway. They are not 'instructions' to individual parents. They are evidence-based information on research, which are actually intended for agencies and governments to help them work out policies that support health. So if (for example) there is evidence for breastfeeding for x months or years, the WHO explains this, and governments and agencies can adapt practice or pass laws or support HCP training or whatever, that enables and supports this.

It's the same with vaccination.

I know hardly anyone in real life who has not vaccinated (I think vaccination is a very important action one can do for one's own children and the community - I certainly accept it for my own family). I know plenty of people who breastfeed for a comparatively 'long' time (including myself). That's not a scientific sample, I know! But I think it's unlikely that generally, 'long -term bf = no vaccination', although of course in some cases it will...given the fact we are talking about a lot of people!

I don't think people really breastfeed orvaccinate because the WHO tell them to, do they? They may well quote WHO when they're challenged for their breastfeeding, but I seriously doubt that's the motivation.

Op the only person her being judgmental is you

I think it's a good point. Vaccine refusers are very happy to pick the evidence that suits them and ignore that which doesn't. Any one who says "I've done my research" and means that they've had a google and turned up a load of antivaccine sites makes me feel very cross. Unfortunately as a person who co-sleeps, breastfeeds my nearly 3 DS and cosleeps I meet a lot of people like that.

nethuns yes absolutely that's what I said breastfeeding makes you militant

writer choosing to do one thing and not the other is fine.

But to then quote those guidelines as absolute proof of your choices is a bit off because you can't believe on one area but treat with contempt another.

DontPanic, I've just done a search on the AlphaParent blog, on 'vaccines' and 'immunisation' and they're hardly mentioned at all - there's nothing about them being 'bad'. Am I looking in the right place?

So far then, the posters on this thread who are all natural-term BF or who have fed for at least 2 years HAVE vaccinated their children.

OP, YANBU.

"Yet the same fairly militant mother's "

bwaaahaaaahaaahhhaaa haaa!

projecting much?

Jesus.

tiktok good point and in defence of long term bf I have no issue (I bf dd2 for over a year), though mothers shouldn't have to defend it.

It is more when they are used as a scientific base for attacking (generally keyboard warriors rather than RL) that my logic node begins to itch.

voodoo sorry you feel that way but I'm not sure where/how I am judging anyone for their choices?

Fabulous Erm yes projecting no clue what that means but nod and smile

Tiktok hit the crap parenting threads.

hmmm actually I do sort of agree that quoting guidelines to defend your parenting choices in one area while ignoring them in another is a bit off.

In an ideal world no one would need to defend choices that are actually in line with guildelines though....

As a total aside...so reassured to see so many other 2-4 year old Bfers on here....I had a wobble at the weekend as my DD (2.5 yo) demanded milk in front of my parents (the first time she has BFed at a time other than bedtime/nap time or first thing for over a year) and I couldn't really remember what public Bfing felt like. But...I was in my own house and they were my actual parents...but I know they think it is odd...gah.

DontPanic, I suppose if someone says 'don't criticise me for doing X because I have [insert Big Organisation] on my side' and yet ignores the same [Big Organisation]'s information in another area of decision-making, surely the most you can say about them is 'they are inconsistent in where they get their validation from'.

To call them 'hypocritical' as you do, is a tad judgmental!

Tiktok you say tomato, I say....

I think it depends on who and how they say it, most mothers I would gently point out the inconsistency, some I would use hypocrisy and my best stern frown. :)

Sorry, DontPanic don't know what or where the crap parenting threads are!

Icebeing I think I felt far more conspicuous with my parents, random strangers I couldn't care less! Tis hard.