To think that a marriage tax break is stupid and David Cameron is a smug twat

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I disagree with financially rewarding people to get married. Marriage is not a pancera to all of society's ills and some marriages are desperately unhappy. Being happily married is down to luck rather than crap like.

""The values of marriage are give and take, support and sacrifice; values that we need more of in this country.""

A marriage is made up of two people and sadly its sometimes the case that one of them is a total twat. Why should the person who isn't a twat be penalised for getting a much needed divorce? I feel that the government should respect the fact that some people don't want to get married and they and their children are perfectly happy the way they are!

I see no reason why this allowance should be given to a childless person just because they are married. I feel it would be better to plough the money into tax credits.

I'll benefit from it but it makes me feel like a twat. It feels like a reward for my alleged sexual morality or something, plus I don't really need it. I would rather it went to keep libraries open or to keep people from depending on food banks. I suppose I could apply for it and donate the money to libraries and food banks but it sounds like a rather convoluted way of running the country.

The whole government seems to have some ridiculous rose tinted view of the '50s.

I will add, this IMO demonstrates that there is money, despite what lies we are told.

"But why shouldn't we as an unmarried couple get it?"

Because marriage and CP are different in law. You do not get any of the existing legal arrangements (eg intestacy) or tax (eg IHT) or benefits (eg bereavement) unless you chose to enter one of those contracts.

People are free to choose to marry/CP or not. Like with any contract, you only get what it offers if you take it up.

Well then Med my CB should have been left well alone.

Absolutely Retropear, he's weakening single / unmarried women here. The only strength or security a woman can bank on in DC's mindset is from her husband. It's a Jurassic way of thinking. his slimy red face makes me feel NAWSHUSS.

people are making the mistake of trying to find a logic to it - even if only to counter that logic.

there is no logic.

this is about a pat on the back for traditional tory voters and that is all. they know financially it means nothing to families, they know the money could be better spent elsewhere, it's not that they think this will make people get married.

it's purely and simply a vote keeper. see! look! we are the moral guardians of society you want. see! look! we are rewarding people who do.the.right.thing. instead of those bloody black one legged lesbian single mum immigrants who labour let flood the nation.

it's purely an ideology badge - not an economic or strategic policy. just a nod to the daily failers.

Retropear has a point. Why this when they have scrapped cb? Why do this? It's such a pointless, illogical exercise. If you are a family with children there should be no discrimination, as it affects those children. Government policy should be focused on supporting families. This policy really does beggar belief.

I just read this before coming on here and his comments made me feel really angry. It was his comments about him and Samantha that got to me the most. As though all those people in happy committed relationships that aren't married are inferior to him. And as for those of us who are raising families alone we are like something nasty he stepped in.

Dwight that isn't true couples on higher joint amounts are keeping it whilst those on single smaller amounts aren't.

If you are a couple enough to take child benefit you are a couple enough to get this tax break.

And as I said CB aside why should a couple who has chosen to flounce down the aisle in fancy clothes get it over a couple who hasn't anyway?

tories do not trade in strategy, economic sense or logic. they trade in ideology.

and there are a lot of people puffed up by the same narrow minded self serving ideology who the tories are doing this for the sake of.

it's a tribal statement really - not a strategy.

I was a SAHM, DH was on lower tax rate before children. We bought our first house (with astronomical interest rates) and waited until he was on higher tax rate before having children, but money was so tight. The child benefit was our saving grace. How do families manage without when on a single income just into the higher tax bracket? Isn't this just an insult to them, an incentive to cheat benefits? 2 married people with their own incomes are not necessarily sharing/pooling their earnings or sharing the workload in the home.

YANBU its just an excuse for Cameron to spout a load of ill thought out opinions with an ill thought out 'benefit'which makes others correspondingly worse off.

god my use of the word 'tribal' has actually been quite earth shattering for me. much to ponder now.

they are a tribe and a tribe has it's colours and has to make tribal statements to call it's own to the fold. so whilst rome burns we get idiotic things like this happening and costing us a fortune so the tribe can have a little yay, my team wins moment.

i wish there was a viable alternative to party politics.

a tribe of bankers and wankers who literally see the majority of us as scum are ruling this country. joy.

Nice to see "flouncing down an aisle in a fairy princess dress" is still getting some mileage .

Swallowed, I like cut of your jib!

Surely £1k tax break isn't enough to keep people on unhappy marriages or make them decide to marry.

It's actually only worth the tax on £1000, i.e. worth £200.

It's a pathetic gimmick that pointlessly complicates the tax system.

Bear

Swallowed you are sooooo right.

It's like some private club where if you're not a married,land owning,working parent selling expensive handbags you're out.

News flash Dave we're all adults,it's a democracy and we get to choose our own lifestyle.

Wouldn't mind but the Tories never got the majority vote to justify inflicting this on us all.

do you know they actually make me feel like BECOMING scum!

i can actually quite see why some teenager who did well at school, can't afford to go to university and despite desperately trying to get a job can't get one and is told they've got to go on long term workfare for less than minimum wage might think actually FUCK YOU davey i think i'll go and deal coke after all even though my mother spent years trying to assure me if i worked hard and was a good boy and didn't hang out with those nutters over there all would be well. turns out she was wrong and those nutters over there at least have a bit of dignity.

if we didn't have an underclass we soon will have with these tossers spewing their hate all over the place.

I suppose if you stay married for, say, 50 years, the tax break might pay for the average wedding.

It is ideological - not enough to really make a difference to the people who need help, but a stamp of approval to those who have made the "right" choice.

But then Dave is a twat so it is no surprise.

Those who are paying tax who are specifically not benefiting from this, God it makes me mad. My friend across the road will benefit, her DH has a much higher paid job than my dp. But my family won't. We aren't doing anything different. We are a hard working family.