parent and child bays

[fairy1303]

Our local supermarket is always rammed. I have often had trouble finding a space. There are some parent and child bays and these are great when I have to take the baby - you need the extra space for the buggy and to be close to the supermarket etc etc.

Today when parking in them, the woman next to me sprung out completely childless.

I know I shouldn't get so annoyed sleep deprived and am anticipating biscuits galore - but she was still parked there when I left and I really wanted to let the supermarket know!

There were other spaces btw, just a bit further away.

Glad no idiots gave you a hard time and you managed to make best of a difficult situation :)

A disabled person should be able to park wherever it makes it easiest for them (and is legal and safe for everyone obviously). Mrs B, with respect, you are talking shit.

I had dtds at a time when p & c spaces weren't so common as they are now, and I do remember how difficult it could be - getting in and out of the car in the last few weeks needed the door to be fully open. Once I had to go into a shop and ask for the 'driver of car registration xxx to please come to customer services' so that I could get back in, and ended up being late to an appointment. When dtds were tiny, I'd look for wide spaces for preference so as not to scratch doors etc.

I think 90% of p & c parking rows could be solved if the spaces were allocated in the far end of the car park with a safe pavement and crossings route to the store. And well trained trolley collectors ensuring the trolley parks at that end were well stocked with all the different sorts of baby/child seated shopping carts.

Sorry, but to suggest that car parks aren't dangerous places when you have small children is bloody ridiculous. Of course they are, and that is not me being PFB. Cars and small children do not mix, especially when drivers are concentrating on looking for a space and may not be quite so aware of small children around. Small children have no idea how dangerous cars can be, and it has nothing to do with how well behaved they are.

I am by no means saying that P&C spaces are essential, of course they aren't. (Although I do think they are nice and helpful) but to feign shock by saying 'I've heard it all now' when someone dares to suggest that car parks aren't exactly safe for little children, IMO is absolutely bloody ridiculous.

Doodle If you are holding your child's hand or they are strapped into a buggy or in a trolley, then it greatly reduces the risk of any danger, yet I see so many people letting their very small children use my local Tesco Extra car park as a playground. I'm not saying there isn't danger or that all parents do this but it doesn't help IYKWIM?

To the people who say BB holders shouldn't use P&C spaces because parents with children don't use BB spaces:

1.) BB spaces are a legal right, P&C places are a money spinner for the supermarkets.

2.) Only a twat would compare the difficulties of being a parent in a car park with the difficulties of being a disabled person in a car park.

3.) Having a pop at disabled people or older people for parking somewhere to make their lives easier also makes you a twat.

4.) The reason some people chose P&C spaces isn't to piss of the "mums" but may be for their own convenience e.g. nearer the trollies or in the case of my local pharmacy, the P&C places are much closer than the BB spaces.

There in the wrong place thats why they are abused

Wow. Bad enough in this context, but I truly hope you don't apply this awful logic to other scenarios!

Like what exactly.

If the spaces where at the back of the car park. No one who isnt meant to use them wouldn't.

MrsBucket Why don't you campaign for P&C spaces to be moved in the same way that disabled people campaigned for their rights?

There should be MORE p and c bays and they should be policed better too.

I think protecting our young is quite important and car parks are dangerous places.

They do exist there is a need for them, even if MN says there isn't

P&C spaces are fair game for everyone as far as I'm concerned. Disabled spaces are a different matter - having children is a choice, disability not so much.

I wonder how our parents ever coped

When I was a little un we used our local shopping parade, which was easy to use and often I was left in the car as my mother could see me and I her from the butchers, grocers and so on. The cars were parked in front of the shops, it was easier all round. If I/we were not left in the car it was very easy to get us out the car and directly onto a pavement.

Also peple seemed more pleasant and patient back then and not running round self importantly screaming how hurried and rushed they are

Sadly the logistics have changed now we have the supermarkets dominate us.

But the supermarket whose land you are on has chosen to provide P and C spaces, its not up to you AKA81 to decide whether they are fair game or not.

You are on the property of the supermarket its up to them not you.

My mum used to give her list to the mobile shopping van man and he would bring it the next week. She would pay him. Give him a new list. And so on.

We had a bread van too.

And a milk man.

And a fizzy pop man.

But the supermarket whose land you are on haschosento provide P and C spaces, its not up to you AKA81 to decide whether they are fair game or not

That maybe true but as there's fuck all they can do to enforce it then it's a moot point.

I use the p and c spaces because my son is disabled (without a blue badge) . I'll still be using them when he is an adult if I think I need to.

AKA, no there is nothing the supermarkets could do - they are not a legal right. However, why would park in a p&c space when you didn't need to? They are there to make a parents life just that little bit easier, so why wold you purposely take that away by parking in one unless you were a bit of a tosser?

As I have already said, the disabled issue is completely different.

There are too many p&c places and they are too close to the store, they should be moved further out of the way.
I would never park in a disabled bay, p&c places are fair game as far as I'm concerned.

She may have had a disability and it may have been better for her to park in that space. And let's face facts her rights if disabled overrule yours totally. It's a parent and child space. It's a luxury, not a right. I am now handing op a grip.

I generally don't park in P&C spaces but do so on occasion. I have no issue with anyone who chooses to park in them. If you don't want to struggle with children then either shop online or keep your legs closed in the first place.

didyousmash great points.
It's definitely a width thing. Although proximity to a trolly park helps too, so you can pop them in a trolley and wheel them into the shop.
One of our cars has massive heavy doors. I can get in and out fairly easily (smug & skinny) but baby in a carseat plus toddler. Not possible in a regular space.
I can't imagine why someone with a disability would use them though.
Everywhere I go in the uk has carpals full of unoccupied "disabled" spaces. Why would you not use one if you needed it?

And i know there is nothing that can be done about it if ppl abuse them. Hey HO. Just have to let it wash over you i think.
There are selfish, greedy and poorly brought up ppl everywhere. I think most ppl are cent though so I don't fret too much.

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