parent and child bays

[fairy1303]

Our local supermarket is always rammed. I have often had trouble finding a space. There are some parent and child bays and these are great when I have to take the baby - you need the extra space for the buggy and to be close to the supermarket etc etc.

Today when parking in them, the woman next to me sprung out completely childless.

I know I shouldn't get so annoyed sleep deprived and am anticipating biscuits galore - but she was still parked there when I left and I really wanted to let the supermarket know!

There were other spaces btw, just a bit further away.

I often wonder that Mrs DeVere, I am going to a national trust property tomorrow which won't have P and C spaces. Infact other than the super market the only other place I go which has P and C spaces is the trafford centre

Tondelayo I don't agree as a matter of fact, its not something I have trouble understanding (but thank you for the patronising suggestion that I might). I just think you are wrong. I don't think for a second that a disabled person is automatically limited in the way you suggest simply on account of their disability.

westie I also don't think, as you assume, that every disabled person is in pain. There are plenty of other reasons why a person might be disabled. If it means less pain because its a step closer or whatever, then of course I'm not suggesting the fact that I have children makes any difference.

Well it was a joke mrs d.

And the nt places I go to have much more manageable spaces than most supermarket car parks so the doors are open- able.

Mandy Able bodied people have no frigging clue how disabled people are affected.

I am disabled, I have a tiny insight to the difficulties Westie faces but I don't now how her life is totally affected. Likewise she doesn't know how mine is.

As for pain, you can not begin to imagine the pain I am in. Only I can not have my treatment atm because my DH is away with the Forces. By the time he comes back in January I will be crawling the fecking walls.

Mandy21 A disabled person is unfortunately limited in those ways, trust me, I live the life every day and went for a bright, fast moving 20 year old to a disabled person very quickly. Did you know that 50% of the people who have never used a computer are all disabled?

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I'm sorry I don't agree, I think there are lots of disabled people who live life to the full and would be offended by a suggestion that they don't have any earning potential, can't socialise, can't use a computer.

Obviously people have massive struggles in relation to pain and its awful to hear and you're absolutely right I have no idea what problems you face.

P&C spaces are marketing bollocks because they know mummies like them so might come to their shop if they provide them.

If supermarkets could get away with having special spaces for rich people, who are likely to spend more in the shop, they would do.

P&C spaces are fair game for anyone to park in and the fact so many PFB parents get wound up about them just makes parking in them, sans kids, even more satisfying.

Mandy, you have no idea how much harder life can be with a disability -says the bitter woman who has just had to leave her job that she loves due her disability.

Mrs devere.
So fucking what if you ddn't see anyone struggling. Are you the bloody car park police now?
All I have done is shared my own experience and choices. I'm not saying it's not possible to live in. World without a p&c space. Just that I choose my shop according to whether or not I can park one of my cars in it.
Why don't you campaign to have p&c spaces abolished then. As they seem to piss so any ppl off.

I'm sure shellybobs would hop on that bandwagon.

According to the Office of National Statistics 53.7% of disabled people of working age are unemployed.

Mandy Of course disabled people can be successful. I have worked and volunteered my way through my degree and I'm on track for a 1st. But the barriers are still there, my university is accessible but on a hill and it's a PITA with crutches. You have no idea what you're talking about. Try and take a walk in my shoes, I guarantee, you'd be screaming within the hour.

Also according to the Office of National Statistics: 61 per cent of disabled people lived in households with internet access, compared to 86 per cent of non-disabled people.

So approximately half of the disabled people are working then? Thats my point.

That's not the point; the point is that working disabled people still need BB spaces, still face barriers and are seriously over-represented in the unemployment stats.

I don't think for a second that a disabled person is automatically limited in the way you suggest simply on account of their disability.

I don't suggest this, it is what is known as REALITY. People are limited (in many specific and various ways) by their disabilities. That is why it's called a 'disability'.

Mrs DeVere you may be right.

Well said, Mrs DV - twice!

You can "explain" it all you like, it doesn't make it any more right. There are degrees of disability and to suggest that everyone is in the same boat does everyone a dis-service.

What I don't understand is why certain parents are capable of going online to repeatedly:
a) argue that having a disability is comparable with having a young child
b) complain how awful, dangerous and impossible it is to negotiate a supermarket car park with young children

yet cannot order their shopping online which would solve their problems in one fell swoop.

to suggest that everyone is in the same boat does everyone a dis-service.

Where did anyone suggest this?