To think that 'feminist' Kate Copstick is nothing more than a rape apologist?

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This is perhaps the most jaw-dropping piece of anti-feminist crap I have ever read. It’s victim blaming dressed up as feminism because it’s coming from the mouths of women. awful.

thejohnfleming.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/feminist-female-comedians-agree-there-are-different-types-of-rape-in-edinburgh/

What a bunch of stupid dickheads

Fucking misogynistic fuck-wits. I'm fucking aghast that this shit fell out of the mouths of grown women. What the hell is wrong with them?

The only thing more ridiculous than their self-identified feminist identity is my naivety that only idiotic, thuggish men propagate this bullshit.

That is shockingly awful, I can't believe that supposedly educated women came out with this bullshit. The bit about the hypothetical 19 year old "asking for it" has made me feel very stabby indeed.

Idiots the pair of them

Oh Jesus, not her again. She should have stick to bit parts in 'ChuckleVision'.

Nasty stuff. I got a strong sense of anger towards younger women from it - is it because this stuff is finally being taken a tiny bit seriously, and they are jealous that they've just had to deal with it?

I thought it smacked of bitterness towards younger females.

YANBU - I was really shocked when I read it.

"if you walk into Battersea Dogs Home with your legs covered in prime rump steak, you cannot complain if you get bitten" as a metaphor for 'she was asking for it' WTAF?? Blimey, who needs MRA when women out there are doing their job for them!

"But then there’s some twat of a 19-year-old who dolls herself up, covers herself in make-up, goes out, gets shit-faced, gets a guy, gets more shit-faced, takes him back to her place or goes back to his place, takes some items of clothing off, starts playing tonsil hockey, has her nipples twiddled, starts playing the horizontal tango … It’s too fucking late to start complaining. It’s not his fault any more. You can’t go Yes-yes-yes-yes-yes-yes – Oh! – No! – It’s not fair."

Last grasp at popularity by courting controversy.

Fucking hell I'm gob smacked!!

The piece is badly written to say the least.

What the contributors are correct about (unfortunately) is that certain behaviours and situations put a person at increased risk of being assaulted, it shouldn't be the case (and there is never an acceptable excuse for sexual assault or rape, the assailant is always the one at fault) but it is the current situation.

In an honest society, I wouldn't need to lock my doors and windows or set my house alarm because burglary wouldn't exist. Reality is that if I don't secure my home, I run a significantly higher risk of my possessions being stolen.

No-one should ever have to consciously act to protect themselves or their things, nor should they have to change the way they behave in order to minimize the risk form others. We don't live in nirvana though!

I lay down in bed with my then dh. He had sex with me against my wishes. So by Kate chopsticks standards that wouldn't be rape?

The analogy of "walking into Battersea Dogs Home with your legs covered in prime rump steak" actually made me feel a little sick.

What a twat!

Of course you can get to fondling and all that and then change your mind. No means no, no matter what the circumstances or what someone is wearing.

Wow, that's so awful. I can't believe two women would actually talk that way.

Andro, please think about what you are saying. It's demeaning to women to use the 'house being burgled' comparison. It's not so far from misogynists who use religion as an excuse for telling women to cover up in a burka to avoid attracting men's lustful gaze.

Rapists rape women of all shapes and sizes and ages. It's not confined to women who are young and good looking. And even if it was, that still wouldn't be OK.

God that is
The 'prime rump' comment is just so, so, very yuck.
Do they not understand that rape is not about lust?

The clothing thing is a massive red herring anyway. Fortunately, I've never been raped, but I've been in some distinctly dodgy situations, and they've occurred when I've been in all sorts of clothing - usually at the more casual/covered up end of the spectrum. Conversely, when I have been out and about in PVC and fishnets, the most that has happened is an old man complimenting me on my handbag.

Look at something like the Everyday Sexism project, and it seems that I'm not alone in this either.

Andro - I don't disagree with you. People need to take steps to protect themselves in a society that is far from fair.

However, the difference between your burglary analogy and the "she was asking for it" argument is that in the case of burglary, no one uses the fact that the house was unlocked as an excuse for the burglar's behaviour. Instead, society still looks very hard to catch burglars and punish them. The same cannot be said of rape, where victim-blaming is prevalent to such an extent that in many cases it gets the culprit off the hook completely.

O....M.....G...
Cannot believe I just read that!
Appalling, all of it...

edam - if you looked at my whole post you would know that I have clearly stated that there is never an excuse, the assailed is always at fault and no-one should need to modify their behaviour to protect themselves.

A person who is in a relationship shouldn't have to modify their behaviour to stop their partner abusing them, a child shouldn't need to avoid a person to prevent abuse, anyone should be able to walk down the road without being assaulted in any way, shape or form. Pick a crime, any crime, we shouldn't have to modify our behaviour/dress code/travel routes to prevent (or minimise) the chance of being a victim of crime.

I used the burglary analogy because it's an easily visible form of risk management, risk management that we should not have to do - be that in respect of rape, murder or just making sure our wallet cannot be easily stolen from my bag.

The other point, is that it is been pretty well established that what women wear or how they behave has very little impact on the risk of them getting raped.

Stranger rapes - the sort where a drunk woman staggers home in her very short skirt ) for example - are exceptionally rare, and don't tend to show any patterns in clothing (I think jeans was the most comment garment the last time I checked). The vast majority will happen to women who know the rapist. If he's not a boyfriend or X, he will be someone in her social circle who has insinuated himself into her trust in the hours leading up to her ordeal.

no one uses the fact that the house was unlocked as an excuse for the burglar's behaviour.

Tell that to an insurance company! I agree, the police are a different issue though.

I don't agree with victim blaming at all, irrespective of the crime in question (ditto bullying, another situation where victim blaming to the detriment of 'justice' is rife!).