To disagree with 3/4 year old children having more childcare paid for

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I feel the goverment should pay for education rather than childcare. 15 hours a week is enough to meet a child's educational needs for pre school. At a time of austerity, I feel there are bigger spending priorities. (Providing enough school places for children who are of complusory school age!)

If you choose to have chidlren then you should pay to look after them. I feel that labour's set of proposals are totally unaffordable and making the "banks" pay will damage the UK financial sector long term.

All these election bribes do not help the UK in the long term.

I'd like to see proper funding of the 15 hours already on offer before the promise of funding more.

Where I live, almost every setting demands "voluntary contributions" of anything from 50p to £2.50 per hour. In reality, if you're not willing to pay these contributions, the free place isn't offered to you. Settings need to be properly funded in order to provide 15 genuinely free hours per week right now.

Broken, you say that having children and working is an expensive business. Why is it any less expensive for families with a SAHP? My DH earns over the cut off for CB as he works in London which is mega bucks for commuting. If I work locally and he works locally we have lower commuter costs, pay less tax between us and therefore have lower expenses. I'm unclear why you think a one earner family is undeserving of CB, particularly when you don't know the reasons why one parent stays at home? Also, why should the single earner family or indeed any low income dual earning families come to that, fund CB for rich dual income families who've chosen to live in big house, drive swanky cars and pay for holidays, children's activities, etc. Why is this group worthy of CB? If any group don't need it, I'd say it's the dual income families earning up to 100k.

Nothing in life is free...surely we have learnt that by now?

Broken what a load of absolute,utter tosh and just how entitled are you - really?Just wow!

Countless families have a Sahp for the good of their family,they scrimpe,they save and make do.Many on very low incomes,many struggling on middle paying the higher tax rate with only one tax allowance and now no CB.They do it for their family and no they can't afford to do it but they still do.It.is.hard!

Said families need,deserve and earn CB just as much as working families on double.

Families with 2 wp now have help with childcare,clothes are clothes(my dp spends the same amount on clothes as I do eg buggar all and he has a managerial job).

Sorry but why does the state have to fund your petrol,your clothes as well as your childcare,just why?

I think this government and Labour is sending a clear message that parents are expected to work and that households where adults work will be rewarded. There is nothing to stop people from SAH but I don't think this or any other government is going to support you to do so. On another note who on earth thinks 25hrs childcare allows both patents to work full time ? Which ft job is that ? What this is, is a help to either do some WOH or some help with the astronomical costs associated with WOTH.

The attitude re sahp is just awful on MN.You never experience it in RL,we all support and empathise with each other.

I feel so sad for my dd,going by MN should she want to be a sahp she will be feckless,rich and need sfa.

She will have no choice and this is progress.

Unless I've missed it no-one has commented on the fact that we have high unemployment - especially young people ...
So basically the state enables both parents to continue working....so less opportunities for young people to get on the job ladder...
I know the argument for higher levels of disposable income should improve the economy ... but the government paying for extra childcare workers just seems like an expensive way of paying benefits...
As for higher minimum wage - most childcare workers are on or near minimum wage - so childcare will become more expensive...so if you need more than the free 25 hours it will cost you more...probably close to what it is costing without the free childcare....
I would suggest that instead of private businesses making money on childcare it should be government run - so all the profits are pumped back into the state...
But in general public sector employees get a better deal than private sector ...they would be no profits...
Think it seems like a good idea - in theory - but in practice doesn't make financial sense....

Wish and that is right?

I think not.

Oh and wish sahp do work.

They work for their family.

I feel for my dd going on MN that women see themselves as glorified house elves and don't see that everyone's lives can be enriched by having both parents working for money. (Note I did not say 2 ft working parents)

Agree unlucky, I've never understood why this government is so keen to get women married to well off men to go out to work if they don't want to. I too wonder where the jobs are to come from. I have a few friends who are married to lawyers, doctors, etc, who have gone out to work since their CB was removed as they say they want to make up the shortfall. I think that this is taking a job from a family that really needs the money and making the already wealthy family even wealthier.

Oh working mothers have been described as selfish, "what's the point of having children if you farm them off to strangers", and want it all, all the time on MN, I've been on here since 2007.

Unlucky - I agree. Unfortunately we seem to have a more American than European attitude to work in this country. People go over and above their contracted hours for fear of losing their jobs.

The number of friends who have been contracted to 3 day weeks after having DC (and who have had their pay reduced accordingly) but have the same workload as they had pre-DC is shocking. They end up working every weekend to keep on top of their jobs.

There would be more jobs to go round if everyone did what they were paid for, and more women would be encouraged to return to the workplace rather than killing themselves trying to prove themselves.

I have worked for money thanks(probably for longer than you have),most sahp have.

I am not a glorified house elf,how utterly offensive.

I'll refrain from coming back with equally hurtful comments.

Possibly Ihate so that they pay tax........just a thought. Your experience contrasts with mine I don't know a single SAHM who had done this.

"I am sure we can import immigrants to wipe our arses and pay for our state pensions when we are older."

Ugh, how ignorant and repugnant is that comment.

I was going to post a reply but after reading that comment I see it would be beneath me to bother.

Waste of money. I can't stand the pressure put on mothers to return to work so soon after having children. For god sake those early years don't last long... Precious moments that are being put into carer hands. Of course, the government needs those mothers to be grinding the wheel of economy ASAP, so it doesn't mind leading women to believe they are failures if they don't get back to work. 3 year old education a priority?! Phaa ha!

But Space sahp are just glorified house elves,they are of no use to anybody least of all their children.

This policy is not criticising SAHPs, (who are making this all about themselves on this thread) it's helping working parents.

Oh read the thread Candy.

I apologize Retropear the choice of word house elf was perhaps I'll-advised, what I was trying to say is that I find it sad that women are still (in 2013) prepared to sacrifice their financial independence, take on total responsibility for the joint children and undertake all the menial tasks involved in running a house. Thereby allowing a man to continue his life/career exactly as before.. Why would an intelligent adult women do that ? I do not know a single man who would think that was acceptable.

Retro If it works for your family, good for you so why do you need an outsider to clap you on the back and congratulate you? Surely a happy, contented a family is reward enough. Who gives a flying fuck what randomers on the 'net think of you?

Oh please, I have read the entire thread. You can do better than that, I'm sure! As an ex childcare worker, I see the benefit for children and parents - rather than most on here who are bleating about themselves and whinging about the 'unfairness' like 4 year olds.

Wishihadabs. This "glorified house elf" has had some fabulous opportunities since quitting her international full time job.

I've found the time to study as a breastfeeding counsellor helping mums and their new babies in the early days. I sit on the MSLC, campaigning for change in local maternity services and I get to spend all day with my DC into the bargain.

Since the removal of CB, I've had to start doing freelance work in the evenings, which was never the plan, but I am more than cook, cleaner and nanny, thank you very much.

As someone whose children are now well into their secondary school education, I really welcome this initiative.

I watched generation after generation of highly educated and skilled women (almost invariably women) dropping out of the work force because the cost of childcare was so prohibitive. Women who went through all the pain of lengthy training and then realised that despite earning well above the national average, they could not afford childcare unless they stopped working. They were in a far worse position than their secretaries, who had family support, because universally they had moved away from that family support.

This is a good suggestion. Actually it is a great suggestion.

The only unfortunate thing about it is that it demonstrates that the Labour Party is back to it's old tricks of spend spend spend without any thought as to how all this should be afforded.