To disagree with 3/4 year old children having more childcare paid for

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I feel the goverment should pay for education rather than childcare. 15 hours a week is enough to meet a child's educational needs for pre school. At a time of austerity, I feel there are bigger spending priorities. (Providing enough school places for children who are of complusory school age!)

If you choose to have chidlren then you should pay to look after them. I feel that labour's set of proposals are totally unaffordable and making the "banks" pay will damage the UK financial sector long term.

All these election bribes do not help the UK in the long term.

"It isn't necessary for both parents to work." Maybe not in your deluded little world.

ihategeorgeosborne that brings us back to making a choice btw collectivism or libertarianism. I prefer the first but either is better than having a government full of puppets sucking corporate cock

Morethan, I cannot understand how you have managed to buy 3 houses on a single wage. This is the problem. People who bought 20 years ago are now in a position to buy up many other houses due to their asset wealth. I do agree with labour and the libdems on a property tax. Owning houses has become more lucrative than working now and it's putting a major strain on people who are working and cannot afford decent shelter for their families.

Agreed Elizabeta

'Owning houses has become more lucrative than working' - absolutely, it's a bloody disgrace and echoes that self serving attitude I referred to earlier.

Jasmine all 3 of mine coped/ cope just fine due to being very secure.

Children do not need childcare to get security,far from it.

They managed pre- school at 3 just fine but 21/2 hours a day x 3 days was more than enough.

They breezed through the school gate their first day at school.

Thanks for your concern Jasminerose but my children have been at school for several years now and enjoy all those extra curricular activities. At 3 though they were at home with me. They did two one and a half hour sessions at pre-school a week and that was plenty. I am working now, but am proud that I was a SAHM when they needed me.

It should be possible for all mothers like Wee,it just should.

I wasnt on about security I was on about 25 hours childcare would wear a child out. All children get 15 as it is anyway.

I can see that this will help families who have to have both parents working (and will create more jobs in the childcare/early years sector). But it saddens me that the government focuses so much on mothers going out to work - as if that's the way it should be rather than a regretful necessity for some. I'm lucky to be a sahm, but it is possible on one income (below higher rate tax threshold) - we own a house, and still live comfortably, just budget carefully and live within our means.
I would rather see the money spent on reducing our country's shocking rate of youth unemployment - surely school/university leavers are the ones really needing help to work?

And anyway isn't rental income taxed? it is income? so that would mean that Mr Potatoes actual income from his work must be very meagre indeed.

They will not find the nurseries to offer this. Funding does not cover costs, we make it up by being able to charge for non funded hours.

They cannot get enough 2 year old places in my area but most settings are reluctant to offer as funding does not replicate charges.

Funding would need to increase.

Why does it always come down to oneupmanship? I would love love love to be a SAHM. Those who have been able to give their children that (because they could and wanted to) I am jealous. But I can't and it just feels a bit like some posters are sticking their fingers in open wounds of those who genuinely cannot be a SAHP.

Maybe you were able to because you are/ were financially better off, managed to buy a house (or two or three) before you had to sell a kidney to fund a deposit, before living costs were milky way high, before jobs were so scarce you were afraid to leave yours, before stupid regulators of certain professions brought in rules that if you don't practice for a certain time you can't get back in without retraining which you can't access...I could go on.

Some posters need to recognise that things now are not the same as they were 10 years ago. That many are heartbroken about not being able to be a SAHP like they always wanted to be. That they have no control over it because too many people who were able to live off one income in the past went out and bought multiple houses that they now rent out and are helping to make it harder for people to be a SAHP by contributing to the increases in cost of living (alongside the political overlords).

I don't believe children need childcare. A good, simulating home environment can provide the socialisation and other experiences young children need. And equally I don't believe that good quality childcare is in any way detrimental. It can be something which complements the home experience (which lets face it is the most important and influential factor)

I appreciate that if you have only had experience of poor quality childcare, or can only rely on freebies from the relatives even though you may not agree with your views, then you probably won't understand that. And of course, if you have decided to stay at home because its what you as a parent want, and have never used childcare for young children, then it's really irrelevant and hypothetical whether you think it would be good, bad or neutral, because you're doing what you've already decided you want to do.

I just wish that small minority who think they can speak for all children could open their mind to the fact that parents know their own children best.

Weemee sorry I don't agree fully with that.

For various reasons we only bought recently but we worked,scrimped and saved when many didn't.

We didn't start trying for dc until we had a deposit.I wanted dc before that.

The one thing I will drum into my dc is to save every penny for a deposit before they have dc.

Everybody differs which is why I don't agree with this blanket help for working parents.Many (like just about everybody we know other than us)might have bought years ago so have a peanuts mortgage,or might be living in a cheap area,many may have been uber tight or money given.Not all working parents are poor and all sahp aren't simply lucky.

Hear Hear Weemee. I fully endorse your post. I have managed to stay at home with my dc, although I worked until oldest was 2, but we have sacrificed not buying a house. We rent and feel insecure and worried at times. Dh tells me it's not the bee all and end all, but I worry about our future and renting in old age. Times are very difficult now for many families, particularly those who don't have housing wealth. I will go out to work soon. Our youngest gets his 15 hours from April and I have started volunteering so am hoping to be able to find something soon work wise to be able to boost our income to buy our own home. You're right though, the whole system sucks and is completely broken. 'They' don't want to fix it though as they might lose some of their own unearned wealth.

many people could work and scrimp until they are on tgeir deathbeds and still never have enough for a deposit. so what-everyone under a certain income threshhold should move to an abandoned pit mine in wales where they can buy a house for 50p?

who will wait tables, clean offices, stack shelves elsewhere?

'oh yes, we just worked v hard and saved every penny'. whatever. that you had any pennies left over points to your privilege.

are you raising your children to be empathy vacuums too?

Chibi that is tosh.

There will be some that can't and an awful lot that could.We started off with a tiny flat on my tiny teachers wage.

Retropear I didn't mean it to come across like that but I am saying that for most now, scrimping and saving is just not enough. We scrimped and saved before trying for dc but still couldn't afford to buy until recently (after dd1) and we just weren't in a position to keep putting off having a family (we are in our thirties) after both of us completed postgraduate degrees. Postgraduate degrees which we undertook on the promise of work hard, get good qualifications and it will pay off

I am not saying that all SAHP are simply lucky (although I would argue that if you can be a SAHP you are very lucky ) and I know not all working parents are poor, but many are

What a state eh? I just think it's sad that many people have no choice in the matter through no fault of their own.....we can't get this time back

In an expensive area I might add.

thanks ihategeorgeosborne. Ihatehimtoo

Wee me I totally agree and it's this that makes me mad.

The Condems just like to gloss over the fact that many feel like you.

really? what about on a tinier minimum wage job? maybe they just aren't trying hard enough, eh? there's always something to cut back on- food maybe? heating?

tiny teacher's wage my arse.

Oh and I hear you re the post grad degrees.We gave up jobs to do Dp's and I funded every penny of it through supply- still waiting for the megabucks!

I hate him too.