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Housing Benefit related. Am very very worried. Please advise.

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underadifferentnameusually · 14/09/2013 19:17

I work p/t self employed. I have been taking invoices, bank statements, receipts for expenses to housing benefit every 3 months so that they can assess my housing benefit. I am a single parent and can't afford to pay any more of my rent. I am really struggling as it is.

I have done something really stupid though.

During the 6 weeks holidays, I was working so many hours to try to make ends meet and treat my DC to a few activities that I was struggling to fit in everything and work.
My son offered to run some errands for me, including shopping, paying bills and taking my other DC on days out. I agreed that this would free up some time for me so I could get my work done.

To save my son asking for money every 5 minutes, I gave him my debit card and my online bank details. I trust him implicitly.

Now, DS got into a habit of doing my shopping, telling me what he had spent and giving me the remainder of my income that week to me in cash, so I could get petrol and other things I needed during the week. It seemed silly to keep passing the debit card back and forth.

This was only ever meant to be a temporary arrangement during the school holidays, although tbf, I have had every single penny I have earnt, and all of my tax credits, either in the form of bills being paid which DS gave me receipts for, shopping which I had receipts for or cash.

I have not had the internet until a couple of days ago, because it was cut off in July and I couldn't afford the bill until Wednesday.

Anyway, I decided to check my account online and although DS has been paying me every penny that was paid into my account, he has obviously been doing this out of his own wages, because my bank is full of transactions to an online game site that I knew nothing about!! There are no cash withdrawals, a few bank transfers, and all of these transactions to the same site. I honestly had no idea he was doing this.

I spoke to the bank, who said I could report it as a theft to the police, but they weren't sure how the police would view it, since I have had the money, and basically my son has used the bank as his own account while giving me equal amounts either in goods or cash. He is paid in cash from his employer btw.

Anyhow, how am I going to explain this to the housing benefit officer at my next review at the end of September?
My invoices show exactly how much I have earnt, but when they see that the bank statements show I apparently spend every penny on leisure pursuits, what will happen?
Not to mention that my son has made a number of cash deposits to my account to give him more money to spend on the same site. Surely housing benefit will see that as income for the purposes of assessing my housing benefit wont they?
Perhaps I should mention that my son is paid in cash and does not have a bank account of his own at the moment.

My mind is in a whirl. I have cancelled my debit card and am waiting for a new one to be delivered.

Please, any advice??

OP posts:
LuisSuarezTeeth · 14/09/2013 20:37

I think you are more worried about your son though Sad

What do you do OP?

underadifferentnameusually · 14/09/2013 20:37

I will ring shelter for advice too. I didn't think of them, so thank you to the poster who suggested them.

I keep all of my records in a folder. I don't think I will relax until the housing benefit has been assessed at the end of the month and I know whether they'll make any changes. I just can't afford to pay any more rent than I already do.
In my most worried moments, I have even contemplated resigning from my job, and claiming benefits until I can find other employment, just so I know my home is safe. I already have rent arrears, and am just getting so so worried that housing benefit will assume that I am receiving much much more than I actually am.

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underadifferentnameusually · 14/09/2013 20:41

I am worried that my son is becoming more and more of a recluse. This is one of the reasons I asked him to take my other children out for the day some days during the holidays, and my son said he had a great time. Obviously I paid for him too, but the rest of the time, he works, goes home, sits in his room on his computer.

He wont return home, he enjoys his own company he says, so I think he is just a introverted kind of man, but yes, I worry about him. I would rather see him investing in his future than wasting money like this, but he is an adult, and I can only advise, I can't control him, nor would I want to.

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footflapper · 14/09/2013 20:45

My father once paid some cash into my account, HB was fine with it as it wasn't earnings. hth Smile

viperslast · 14/09/2013 20:45

Would it be possible to get your son to write you a receipt for the amounts that he has paid in in cash? That way it goes in then out in a documented fashion rather than just being a random figure? Obviously explain your son has no bank and was temporarily using the system but you have now stopped it?

At least that way the amounts in and out will tally?

footflapper · 14/09/2013 20:46

Agree with viper.

underadifferentnameusually · 14/09/2013 21:11

I will speak to my son tomorrow. I don't want another big argument with him, especially not in front of the other children.

What do I do if he point blank refuses to write a statement, letter or receipt?

I'm relying on him to get me out of this fine mess and I'm not sure whether I can rely on him. He's behaving very defensively, as if I have discovered his most coveted secret, but how long did he honestly think it would go unnoticed for? He knows I have submitted bank statements to housing benefit assessors before.

I haven't read him the riot act about these transactions btw.

OP posts:
underadifferentnameusually · 14/09/2013 21:13

I read him the riot act about using my account to do this, because of how bad it looks on me, not because of what he's spent the money on IYSWIM.

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IneedAsockamnesty · 14/09/2013 21:23

Oh for crying out loud.

Stuff like this happens in HB depts all the time its no big deal it does not require any great effort nor phone calls to shelter to anything at all. It does not even require a huge explanation.

And what's with the lets make snide comments about the ops ds's honesty re tax and the op's honesty re declaring things.

op

Get bank statement highlight all funds paid in by your son.

And write letter that says something like this.......

Dear nice HB person.
I can confirm I paid the highlighted transactions into my mothers account number xyz
At no time did my mother have knowledge of these funds and at no time were they intended for her use or the use of any member of her household and I can confirm that at no time did she use any of the funds.

Lots of love and hugs op's ds.

He will have no issue signing this as its nothing to do with his use of your account (other than confirming it was his dosh)nor his conduct but it will protect you.so there is no need for drama.

footflapper · 14/09/2013 21:24

Take it easy, dont get upset with him, or the current situation. Honestly it will be fine, its an honest mistake..

IneedAsockamnesty · 14/09/2013 21:24

And he's over 18 what he spends his money on is not your concern.

Just tell him to use his own account to do it.

Rebelrebel · 14/09/2013 21:29

Regular deposits into your account will be treated as income, yes, and it would be a very good idea to get the explanation in a letter from your son and send it in now rather than waiting for your review. I don't understand why he would refuse to help you here - he's old enough to understand how this could affect you. At worst they will reassess your benefit for the time they can see these deposits were going in.

IneedAsockamnesty · 14/09/2013 21:52

They will only be treated as income if you can't prove they aren't income.

He's quite likely getting weird about doing a letter or statement because he's gone into fight mode as he thinks he's being accused of dishonesty or doing something wrong he also may be a bit embarrassed about his mum finding out what he spends money on.

Just make it clear to him that you need his help to show them that you haven't been dishonest and that his honesty is not in question.

34DD · 15/09/2013 10:24

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wannabedomesticgoddess · 15/09/2013 10:35

I am no expert, but my understanding is that they only need to see bank statements to prove you don't have savings that would take you over the limit.

Parents would let their kids use their accounts all the time I am sure, perhaps not for gaming sites but for making purchases online.

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