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to think that when there is a schools place crisis perhaps the government should think of ways to reduce birth rates?

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jellysandwich · 04/09/2013 10:27

In my area (London) there is already a huge shortfall in places because there has been a baby boom. They are constantly opening new schools or creating bulge classes but this is often at the expense of other children who lose their playing fields and there is just not enough room in London to keep opening new schools and there is already a housing crisis because the country is so overcrowded.

I think perhaps it is time the government thought about limiting child related benefits to 2 children (which is the replacement rate) and those that want to have more can do so but not with taxpayers money. It would go some way to stopping some of the problems that rising birthrates create such as the school places crisis, overcrowding, pollution, increasing struggles for resources such as food and water and in an already overpopulated world I think the government is being negligent in not putting some sort of limit on child related benefits, especially when it seems to be counter-intuitive (if you work you don't get more money each time you have another child).

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morethanpotatoprints · 05/09/2013 18:14

alemci

It isn't out of the house, I am working for dh but its better than nothing.
Don't get me wrong it hasn't been too bad, I just wanted to point out that the attitude of society now can affect the lives of people in years to come.

It is ok for some people to say well its just a different opinion but unless we stop and think about our attitudes now we could end up with the same old in 30 years time.
I really don't think the answer to a shortage of schools has anything to do with children being adopted or even the increase in the population. It just isn't a solution imo.

LtEveDallas · 05/09/2013 18:19

No filee, I have just posted consistently, referencing what a previous poster has said. I have not backtracked, lied, or tried to confuse the issue. I have also not reported any of dysfunctionallynormal's posts (although I did report one of yours for goading).

Strangely, one of your first posts says "this is not just about cb". So I was led to assume that you were also talking about other benefits.

merrymouse · 05/09/2013 18:19

I am sure that somebody has said this before, but I don't think the rise in demand for school places has been caused by people on benefits having large families.

The population fluctuates and schools close and re-open. In the bit of London that I lived in until recently, bulge classes were blamed on people not acting according to predicted patterns, e.g. families staying in flats and small houses, whereas in past decades they (apparently) moved out of London. Probably the main causes are lack of housing mobility over the past decade and concentration of jobs in certain areas.

The problem could have been predicted earlier - these children didn't suddenly appear from no where like the Midwich Cuckoos. It's a 'crisis' when provision is left to the last minute.

Dawndonnaagain · 05/09/2013 18:21

multiple births/failed contraception should be judged on an individual basis.
And who is to judge? More importantly, who has the right to judge?

alemci · 05/09/2013 18:21

potato sounds very positive and if it works for you. I didn't comment on the adopting/fostering debate. find it trying enough withmy own dc and like my freedom now they are older.

I think it is great that people want to adopt and foster to help dc and I wish them well.

dysfunctionallynormal · 05/09/2013 18:32

LtEveDallas - i am NOT backtracking. That girl is a"selfish breeder". i stopped contact with her a couple of years ago so i don't know what her situation is today. maybe she is now working - who knows?

Dawndonnaagain · 05/09/2013 18:34

Stop using the term selfish breeder, unless your name is Marie Stopes. You have no idea regarding the circumstances of others, you are rude and boorish.

filee777 · 05/09/2013 18:34

DN I think Lt is just focusing on the part of your post that she wishes too, it seems we can't discuss any other part of the problem for some reason..

dysfunctionallynormal · 05/09/2013 18:39

i have no issue with anybody disagreeing with my opinion. speak to me with respect and you will get it back. i wasn't the one who verbally attacked individuals on this thread - that was started by someone else....they could have easily stated they disagreed with my opinion and NOT resorted to attacking me personally.

also, i'm a newbie to MN so i don't know any of you or your histories. i will call it as i see it and i still believe that some people are exhibiting very cliquey behavior.

obviously with the cb changes those "selfish breeders" are now going to have to take personal responsibility.

MrsDeVere · 05/09/2013 18:42

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dysfunctionallynormal · 05/09/2013 18:47

i know Filee777 :-D

to those who asked, yes i have been very open and honest with my social worker. yes, i have used the term "selfish breeders" with her. She didn't like it and didn't agree but after having discussed things thoroughly she actually does understand why i use that term. by the way, she told me she doesn't like me using that term in front of her so i don't.

Dawndonnaagain - ignore me then if you think i'm rude and boorish. I'm merely exercising my right to free speech, however, if you find that particular term offensive then all you have to do is say so.

dysfunctionallynormal · 05/09/2013 18:48

by the way Marie Stopes don't use that term......

BellaTheGooseIsDead · 05/09/2013 18:51

dysfunctionallynormal I'm interested in your example. You said this "girl" you know has five children five years apart because that's the age the government says you need to seek work from. You said she followed the five-year pattern.

That would make her about forty four and the age limit for income support with a child was definitely sixteen when I had DD thirteen years ago. It changed to five quite recently. Probably around the time that the well-publicised change to Child Benefit came in.

MrsDeVere · 05/09/2013 18:54

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Dawndonnaagain · 05/09/2013 19:05

I suggest you google Marie Stopes.
Yes I do find the term extremely offensive and the fact that having been asked, politely to stop using it, you have continued. I'd call that being a goady fucker.

BellaTheGooseIsDead · 05/09/2013 19:08

Income Support to Jobseekers for a child aged five was just last year apparently.

It's nice when people who hold extreme views keep up to date with current affairs in order to back them up.

Not everyone does this, sadly. Some just believe everything they read in the Daily Mail.

filee777 · 05/09/2013 19:10

There should be some sort of Godwin's law relating to the daily mail.

BellaTheGooseIsDead · 05/09/2013 19:20

Grin actually that's the first thing you have posted that I agree with.

It's a lazy analogy.

But a helpful one if you happen to be busy and don't wish to be deleted.

JakeBullet · 05/09/2013 19:22

Yep it was last year that IS changed...before that it was until the youngest child was 7 (think that was only a year) and prior to that it was 16yrs.

My DS is 10 and I get IS as my child is disabled...this is the only reason they will pay it after 5 now. I only started claiming it 18 months ago though.

So anyone who thinks people timed their children to avoid going back to work prior to two years ago has their facts wrong.

Personally £66 a week would not be enough to persuade me to go back to sleepless nights Grin, Id want a lot more than that. Then again I am too old anyway

eineschlampa · 05/09/2013 19:23

Well things are changing for the better and for the future of our children I am relieved as we can not keep reproducing the way we are.

There are always threads on here about housing shortages, lack of resources,lack of jobs etc and with everyone thinking they're entitled to have as many children as they like the situation is only going to get worse.

There is always going to be a massive sense of entitlement on here and everyone will always just think of themselves and their family and with all the benefit cuts and CB for only the first 2 children coming in hopefully the masses will be able to engage their brains and think about whether they can really afford to have as many children as they think is their right!

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 05/09/2013 19:26

oh gawd the goady fuckers are out in force tonight.....

LtEveDallas · 05/09/2013 19:39

Have you read the thread einschlampa? Birth rates have FALLEN, families are SMALLER - oh and the CB cap on 2 children is a Tory proposal that hasn't had the support they were hoping for.

Sheesh.

morethanpotatoprints · 05/09/2013 19:43

hobnobs

They have been pretty constant throughout the thread Grin
Oh hum.

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 05/09/2013 19:45

just when one vanishes another appears.
((sigh))

eineschlampa · 05/09/2013 19:47

Is that from your google links? Oh and hobnob you deem someone who has a different viewpoint from you as goady?

The thing is on mumsnet even if you have first hand experience of these things you will not be believed unless you have a googled statistic or graph to show it which is pathetic tbh and a typical lefty trait.

Everyone knows this country is overpopulated (Well apart from mn) and people keep burying their heads in the sand. I fully support the tory policies and I really hope they come into into fruition as it will get people thinking twice before they decide to have more children that they KNOW they cannot afford to look after

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