In the vein of Monty Python and 'what have they ever done for us'

[Souredstones]

Why the Tory hatred on here, not the historical bollocks because there was wrong on both sides, but the hatred of the modern Tory party, I'm genuinely confused about this because to me it reads, Tories built the economy up, labour spent it all, Tories build it up again ad infinitum.

Can someone please explain it to me?

I'm afraid I cannot answer you as I often think the same! Just wanted to let you know you're not the only one!;)

to me it reads, Tories built the economy up, labour spent it all, Tories build it up again ad infinitum.

That's your problem, right there. A simplistic and fundamentally false narrative that you have taken unthinkingly from Conservative HQ.

"not the historical bollocks"

Sorry, but a understanding of the history of our Economy and Welfare is crucial.

There are masses of books on Social Policy, which give the facts.

You have to start way back at the start of the 19th Century (at least), to get the full picture. Then take things from after the Second World War.

You will then find that your statement about the Tories building things up, is incorrect.

"Tories built the economy up, labour spent it all, Tories build it up again ad infinitum"
Did they build the economy up? Did they really? I was under the impression that they sold the family silver.

And whatever do you mean by "the historical bollocks"? Is that the stuff you can't pretend never happened?

(TBH, I probably hate Labour more than the Tories. At least the Tories you expect to shaft you. But in the end, they are all bastarding politicians.)

The tories have freed up some social housing - some people have become so depressed at the bedroom tax that they comitted suicide but look on the bright side at least it's now an empty house.

The tories have given companies a boost - being made to work for free on workfare enables companies to make even more profits to avoid paying tax on.

Education - standards have never been so high, no sorry scrap that I saw last weeks exam results.

I'm sure they have done some good I'm just struggling to think of any.

The modern tory party, like the historic tory party, but imo, more so now, is made up of career politicians, ie, never had a job that means being with the majority of their electorate. Also, I think it is tough for the electorate to be taking cuts in employment, working tax credits, 'bedroom tax' , losing their jobs and never having pay rises, and thedecisions being taken by politicians who in the majority do not have to worry about housing and feeding their families, and going on holiday each year.

That said, the Labour Party made huge mistakes when they were running the country.

In the 70's Labour let us down and we had powercuts, Winter of dicontent etc. But it all started go wrong in this country when Margaret Thatcher was elected. she promised she would make us good and rich again. She destroyed the the working classes anywhere above North London.

The modern tory party, like the historic tory party, but imo, more so now, is made up of career politicians, ie, never had a job that means being with the majority of their electorate

They are all the same now.

If Labour were in power they would have to be doing similar things, there was no money when they left office.

It's ok listing the 'bad' that the Conservative party did but where's your evidence to suggest the Labour Party would have or could have done any better?!

Off the top of my mead, the Labour party introduced ...

The NHS
Expansion of National Insurance
National Minimum Wage
Family Allowances
Working Tax Credits
Abolition of the Eleven Plus

In every case, these were opposed by the Tories

Nah - nothing to brag about really

^The tories have freed up some social housing - some people have become so depressed at the bedroom tax that they comitted suicide but look on the bright side at least it's now an empty house.
^

WTF???????????

Beautifully put, Dreaming.

Please provide a list of what good the Tory Party has done.

12th - I think jacks was being ironic.

Politicians are all crap - either in it for themselves or hopeless incompetents. The real problem is they won't do anything that might stop them getting elected next time, so they never do anything for the long term benefit of society or the economy. Idiots.

The Tories were opposed at every step up to and including the House of Lords over the Welfare reform bill. It's widly known that they haven't done their homework on it but pushed it through by using a law that hasn't been used in over 200 years by turning it into a money bill so they get their own way. They acted like spoilt children.

I lost all hope and respect for them in that instant.

For what it's worth, I honestly and truly think that all the parties are all as bad as eachother, only in it for themselves and I have been proven right time and time again. This lot in now, when they first started out I thought that maybe this will the time they start working together - sorting out some real problems at the source. Nope. Silly me.

Not one of them has idea of what the real world is like and I doubt they care.

What is disgusting about this lot, more so then the others is the sneeky and underhanded way they go about everything and at least one of them directly or indirectly benefits from each their projects (HS2, Fracking, ATOS) in a financial sense.

I don't know what the answer is but unless someone steps up who has a background we can all relate to and is not afraid to go against the big businesses, investors, banks and energy suppliers - we're screwed and nothing will change.

Add to everything above, taking employment rights away and introducing large court fees if you want to try to defend those rights, why? because one of their very large donors told them to.

Changing central government financing so the councils in areas who dont vote for them are disproportionately hit. Under the old system, central government grant was allocated by head of population with some increases for delivery in rural areas or particular pockets of deptivation etc. This bunch changed that so that central grant to local authorities is now based on council tax receipts so areas with a larger proportion of higher band houses and less people who are unable to pay get more in grant. This leads to generally, areas with lots of Band A housing and more social problems (largely in the North and Midlands) faced with 25% cuts in budget and mostly southern and home counties with lots of higher band properties about a 5% cut in real terms. This also affects policing and the fire service because they come from the council tax. Have a quick look at the voting patterns laid over the cuts map and see where the axe is falling.

A housing and welfare policy which is on the face of it probably the right policy but so poorly thought out and ineptly implemented in some willful drive to demonise the poor that it is a total train wreck

Also, a complete shambles of an energy policy so we have very expensive fuel and no guarantee that the lights will stay on (in fairness Labour didnt do much to sort this out either).

I never have been party political and class myself as a floating voter and have no particular love for Labour Governments either but this vindictive, inept, nasty shower of shit really do take the biscuit.

That is all.

12th I was being sarcastic in my post. The tories have caused horrendous problems for just about everyone but their very rich supporters and big business. They're also making sure that the poorer you are the more you suffer to try not to alienate their core supporters. They don't care about the poor because they won't keep them in power which is the only thing that matters to them.

I had a friend who tried to end their life because of this, and Ive come very very close too. Both of us (lone parents) have severely disabled children and need the extra room- sorry- that should read need the extra church hall that the Gov think we have. adapted for disability room.

if scumeron or wooden clegg would only come and live here for a week, but nooooooooooooooooooo.

I forgot about that Fifi.

Yes, sign your rights away for a share in the company, but if you don't sign, you won't be able to fight in the courts due to costs. Legal Aid or what's left of it won't be any help to you AND we all need to watch VERY carefully what they are doing to the Human Rights Act.