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To think this is a really good idea for parents and other passengers on a plane?

42 replies

poppingin1 · 27/08/2013 17:18

Scoot Airlines are introducing no cry zones.

You pay an extra £10 to sit away from all children under twelve.

As a parent with a young toddler I would not only utilise this when flying without my DD, but would also feel more relaxed when flying with her knowing those in my cabin most likely opted out of the 'no cry zone' so won't mind if my DD makes a little noise now and again.

I wouldn't allow my DD to disturb people usually when travelling, just think this would allow me to feel a little less tense about her making noise where I can't prevent it or it takes a little longer to soothe her etc...

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Wibblypiglikesbananas · 27/08/2013 19:03

Having worked for a major airline, I don't see how this will work in practice:

Noise carries - so there no way of stopping those people in front of and behind the crying zone from hearing crying and screaming.

Weight distribution - the aircraft could potentially be unbalanced if all the littlies were in one distinct area.

Discrimination legislation - depends on the country you're flying into and out of, but would be difficult to make someone with children sit separately.

And in all honesty, in my experience, it's usually the adults who are worse behaved than the children on flights - especially once they start drinking!

gastrognome · 27/08/2013 19:09

I'm not surprised some airline has come up with this. So many people seem to freak out at the idea of a crying child within 50m of them.

And as for the way one's own children react to being on aeroplanes, like so many things, a lot of it is just the luck of the draw.

It's a nightmare when you have a child who isn't a "good traveller". I have one of each - DD1 (5) has always been happy to sit quietly and watch a film on the iPad, do colouring or listen to stories. DD2 (2.5).cannot fathom why she has to sit still, strapped into her seat for takeoff and landing, and will kick and cry until the seatbelt sign is switched off. She is not interested in books or films and just wants to be off exploring all the time. Great most of the time, but not on a plane. (If I'd replied to this thread before DD2 was born I'd have been a whole lot smugger, I suspect).

Having said that, if people want to pay more to be in the no-cry zone then good for them. Crying kids don't actually bother me on aeroplanes for the most part. No more than loud adults, passengers with questionable hygiene or serial recliners...

TheDoctrineOfPositivityYes · 27/08/2013 19:10

Sigh.

If you read the article, it's actually four rows of seats with extra leg room, with no under 12s allowed to book seats there.

So the charge is for extra leg room. The "no crying" bit is a PR angle.

MooseBeTimeForSnow · 27/08/2013 19:20

Canadian Airline WestJet introduces child free cabins ;) here

babybythesea · 27/08/2013 19:23

Someone mentioned a zone for parents and children in an earlier post.
I have this covered, folks. I have had plenty of time to think it through carefully as I fly backwards and forwards to New Zealand with offspring in order to allow DH to show off his children to his family (note to self - should marriage go belly up, the next one should be from the same hemisphere as me to make visiting in-laws a bit less complicated).

When I win the lottery (the proper amounts, not the measly four or five million!), every time we fly to said Antipodean country, the following will happen:

I will book all of First and Business classes, well ahead of time, on all flights I am on.
The airline will secretly upgrade all families into those seats (obviously there may be more families than seats in which case the youngest children will be given priority, but it will extend right up to teens should there be enough seats).
Priority treatment will start in the departure lounge which will now be full of children but which will have been pre-stocked with toys, books etc, and appropriate snacks. Children will be safely contained (should the parent wish them to be!) rather than running round the departure lounge, and have plenty to do, which will help stress levels. There will also be two or three paid nannies on hand - they will be able to keep an eye on children while parents wander off to shop should they want to.

Once on the flight, the families will have more space. You will be in a big chair so if your small person insists on sitting on your lap you still have breathing space, and there is a bit more space generally so the children can wander round a bit. Serving area will be stocked with stuff suitable for children as well as extra toys and games. Chairs recline enough to allow proper little beds to be made for children. Still trying to work out if a nanny would be a good addition once on the flight to allow a parent to, say, go to the loo, leaving child in seat but not needing to wake second parent who may be shattered after dealing with a non-sleeping excited child the night before....

This will be all at no extra cost to the families.
No-one will make nasty comments about shutting your child up because everyone will be delighted to be in seats where you have space, and where you don't spend the entire time stressing about whether your child just breathed on the seat in front and annoyed it's occupant. Your children will have other kids around to play with, should they wish to.

DH and I dream of it every time we shuttle our child (now children) down to economy to begin the 24 hours in a confined space with them and a handful of strangers...!!

carabos · 27/08/2013 19:23

I don't care about the crying, but I would pay a king's ransom to sit where the little sods people can't kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick kick the back of my seat Grin.

Curleyhazel · 27/08/2013 19:29

Rubbish idea imo. Sadly people are becoming ever more selfcentred and intolerant of others. Kids exist, they may cry or they may laugh and say some clever or cute things so it's not all black and white.

I recently flew with a toddler and a baby on my lap and the young guy who sat next to me was ever so helpful and pleasant. He even held my baby a couple of times when I needed to arrange all the bags, didn't bat an eyelid when I bf the baby in such a small space and just smiled at my toddler's running commentary.

At the end of the flight I told him that he deserved a medal for putting up with us. He really made my day.

mellicauli · 27/08/2013 19:30

It's funny these people who can't stand the sound of a crying child. It's like they can't contain their emotions. Bit like a crying child, really!

Madamecastafiore · 27/08/2013 19:38

I would pay in a heartbeat.

If Bradley's mum is on here, you took the Ryanair flight to Stansted from Pisa, first week of August - get some fucking earphones for his IPad as it is incredibly rude to expect everyone else to listen to his fucking beepy beepy game and your extra loud parenting is funny for about 3 minutes before I want to tell Bradley to open the fucking blind because that is the rule and he is 3 and doesn't get to say no he wants his blind and his table down during take off. AND - I will tell the little sod to stop kicking the back of my son's chair in a slightly more authoritative manner than 'Now Bradley, that isn't very nice' (for the fiftieth time) - how about something alone the lines of brandishing my plastic knife at him at telling him it can be used to remove feet??? (Sorry that has been building up for quite a while just wanted to get it off of my chest. I know he is only 3 (or there abouts) but being stuck in that metal tube for ages when you are pregnant and having to listen to their loud parenting was excruciating, I won't really threaten him with my plastic knife or swear at him).

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/08/2013 21:06

Well, if we are telling it how it is... can I say thanks so much to the wonderful lady who sat next to me from London to Vancouver. She was kind, understanding, even when DD kicked her, she looked out for me and DD and was the picture of perfect grandparenthood. Thanks from the bottom of my heart.

Flying with children is hell, some of us have to do it (family in other places, countries). Being nice costs nothing.

McNewPants2013 · 27/08/2013 21:15

I have never been on a plane, but i think it sound bonkers. Buses these days have buggy spaces, i was on a double decker upstairs towards the back and still heard an infant crying.

TSSDNCOP · 27/08/2013 21:19

Why not just run two flights a day with one as all adults I.e 18 up and another all kids 0-18.

Mia4 · 27/08/2013 21:20

As TheDoctrineOfPositivityYes it's a PR angle. Babie don't bother me on flights, I have had the misfortune of being close to two annoying children though-annoying because their parents didn't control them- and an annoying mum.

One kicked the back of my seat and his brother kicked my friend's because they were 'bored' and their parents wouldn't given them what they wanted. Real nice, especially the parents faces when my friend asked them to stop their children.

The other was a really precious mum who leaned across the aisle-her DS was in the aisle seat next to me- to shake my arm and order me not to watch 'Transformers' on my video screen because her DS kept going on about it and was much too young to be watching.

NapaCab · 27/08/2013 21:26

Are they going to introduce a no-drunks zone and a no-loud morons zone as well or does it only apply to children who are noisy?

poppingin1 · 27/08/2013 21:48

*Rubbish idea imo. Sadly people are becoming ever more selfcentred and intolerant of others. Kids exist, they may cry or they may laugh and say some clever or cute things so it's not all black and white."

I really agree with this.

I personally have no problem with loud children, maybe that is because I grew up in a large and very noisy family.

sea that sounds heavenly.

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Maggietess · 27/08/2013 21:55

Personally I find the drunk stag parties more irritating than small children.... And the people who take up two seats as they overspill into your seat leaving you with no room... Or the people with incredibly bad bo...... Or the people who put their seat back within 6 seconds of the seat belt sign going off and leave it their for the entire duration of their hour long flight despite knowing you have an under two on your knee..... Or the parents of the older children who are allowed to play their dvd players and DSs at full volume.... Or the adults who lean on your chair to chat over you to the people at the window.... Or the parents of the 6 year who let them kick the back of the chair in front constantly without stopping them....

I find all of them waaaaay more annoying than upset babies and children crying.

And on our last flight I walked up the aisle to the mother of screaming baby and said "I'm sure you have snacks etc but just to let you know I have plenty of baby food here for my lo who looks same age as yours so just let me know if you'd like some".

She replied "actually it's milk I've run out of". I said "well I'm happy to give you some of ours if you have a bottle I can pour it in to", she thanked me, and took the milk and baby stopped crying... People don't need tutting, they need compassion!!

MrsKoala · 27/08/2013 22:01

Not sure how it would work in practice. Everytime we fly with DS we get moved to a row of 4. so could be seated just behind the no cry zone. Also we walk up and down the aisles with DS who is toddling and screams if he cannot be free to walk around. He would be trotting up and down the aisle next to the 'zone' anyway.

Other people are annoying, regardless of age. So why pick on one group. I have had more disturbance from, drunk people, loud people, elderly people, groups of people etc.

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