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To have taken advice from here re. parking fines?

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pinkdelight · 27/08/2013 16:03

Having read many, many threads about the bastards private firms who issue parking fines, I have duly been ignoring the one which fined me in a particularly craven way at Tootling Leisure Centre a few months ago.

My DS(5) was invited to a friend's birthday party at the centre. The car park was busy but I found a space between two cars and parked there. After the party, a couple of hours later, we were leaving and I found a penalty notice on the car. The crime I apparently committed was being "Out of Bay". When the cars at either side of me had left, it revealed that the whole row of cars had been out of whack with the white lines and therefore instead of being parked perfectly within one space, I was parked over the lines, maybe a foot into the next space. Which was completely unknowable when I parked as I was just parking in the car-sized space available and didn't stop to scrutinise the hidden white lines.

It made me fume (still does, can you tell!), but I remembered all those threads here that said these firms' fines are unenforceable and not to engage with them in any way. My DH has been getting increasingly worried with every threatening letter, and now we've just one from a bailiffs warning us not to be led astray by misinformation on the internet.

The fine has now gone up to £160 (for going to a kids' birthday party!! makes me want to cry). Please will someone reassure me that I am NBU to keep ignoring them? If anyone can point me to somewhere official that says these firms can fuck right off and aren't going to come banging on my door, I would be very, very grateful.

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MrsWilberforce · 27/08/2013 16:06

I've read that a lot on here as well but I personally wouldn't want to risk it. Don't blame you at all for not wanting to pay, that's a really unfair one.

jacks365 · 27/08/2013 16:22

Who issued the parking fine? That sounds like an official council one and they can never be ignored, they took over issuing official parking fines from the police and they have the full force of the law behind them.

Namechanger13 · 27/08/2013 16:23

Have you looked at money saving expert? Lots of good advice on there

soverylucky · 27/08/2013 16:25

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pinkdelight · 27/08/2013 16:26

Met Parking Services Ltd - definitely a private firm, jacks365. Same kind as those who do supermarkets etc. Drives me nuts that stuff like leisure centres that were once part of public health are now just another supermarket-style enterprise on the make.

Thanks for the MSE steer. Will suss it out now.

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TheToysAreALIVEITellThee · 27/08/2013 16:28

Continue ignoring. And laughing. Then laugh a bit more as the letters get screechier before they stop

HaroldLloyd · 27/08/2013 16:29

I would probably have complained about this one rather than ignored it, but I do hear tell you can ignore them and they cant do anything.

I am fighting one from Co-op at the moment and my argument was that I was only 10 mins over the time limit and £90 for 2 hours and 10 mins parking is disproportionate. I chucked in a red herring of needing to change the baby and Co-op not having facilities and getting held up elsewhere doing it.

I thought that they might think I would do sadface photo in the daily mail over it.

Lweji · 27/08/2013 16:29

If it was council issued then you should have paid, but in any case, you'd have the possibility of presenting your case to avoid paying the fine, within a short time.

I have once challenged one council ticket, which was then cancelled, so it's possible.

jacks365 · 27/08/2013 16:31

The only people who issue tickets round us for parking outside the lines are the official council one which was what made me think that. With regards to the bailiff letter its still a funny issue they can not do anything unless they take you to court and to do that they need to produce a picture showing the offence and that would support your story. These firms mostly work on threats and untill/unless you receive court papers you are fine.

pinkdelight · 27/08/2013 16:33

Ah, that's very helpful thanks. But it also means IWBU to follow advice here before that said not to engage with the firm. According to MSE, I need to have engaged with them either to appeal or refuse to pay. It could now be too late, but no way am I paying £160 so will have to find a way through somehow. Makes me so, so angry to waste my time with this.

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pinkdelight · 27/08/2013 16:35

"Continue ignoring. And laughing. Then laugh a bit more as the letters get screechier before they stop"

Is that true though? You promise?? That's what I was thinking, but am getting the willies now. Feel like I should cave, contact them and appeal.

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Dfg15 · 27/08/2013 16:37

You don't need to engage with them at all if its a private firm. Just ignore, ignore and then ignore some more! where I work we get them all the time, they send a few letters, threatening bailiffs, etc. then they go away.

patienceisvirtuous · 27/08/2013 16:37

I am watching with interest because I have a similar issue. I have been harangued by a private parking firm, incidentally for parking at the hospital at 4am, and I'm completely ignoring based on various advice from the net. The last letter said my next letter will be a court summons. I am still ignoring and hoping for the best!! Eek.

pinkdelight · 27/08/2013 16:44

Oh lord patience, that's outrageous. How can they sleep at night?? Clearly they don't - they're too busy lurking around hospital car parks!! Let me know what happens. All the people saying to keep ignoring are making me feel like I should tough it out, but who needs the aggro of a bloody court summons? Arrgh!

Going out now, but will check back later. Very grateful for all the advice.

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BelaLugosisShed · 27/08/2013 17:07

Parking scammers are now sending court papers out in huge numbers and you can't just ignore them unfortunately. If it did ever go to court you would have to pay up or it would mean a ccj.

Plenty of sites tell you how to deal with them , consumer action, peppipoo, MSE are some of them.
It's because the law changed last year and they only have to know the registered keeper rather than who was actually driving at the time of the "offence" now.
DD has now had 3 letters from Parking eye, she overstayed at a motorway services, we've just ignored but if we get court action papers, I'll be firing off a template defence letter and hoping that's the end of it.

Pinupgirl · 27/08/2013 17:11

Ignore,ignore,ignore-they are at it. My dh is a lawyer and we have had hundreds of them-I don't even open them now they just go straight in the bin!

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm · 27/08/2013 17:16

Parking companies HAVE started taking action through the bulk system via Northampton County Court.

VoiceOfRaisin · 27/08/2013 17:18

Pinupgirl Why do you have hundreds of parking fine letters? I agree that there are some dodgy parking ticket firms, and we all (like the OP) get caught out unfairly now and again, but it sounds like you must have a serial disregard for other people's property if you have more than a few penalty tickets.....I can't help thinking this will leap up and bite you some time for all that your DH is a lawyer. I doubt the Law Society would be impressed to learn he is using his legal training to dodge paying for parking where he should (if that is what is happening - many apologies if not and you are just very unlucky to have been fined unfairly hundreds of times).

Pinupgirl · 27/08/2013 17:22

LOL at raisin-well all of dh's work collegues-also members of the law society-also do this on a regular basis. Our local shopping centre pays charges for parking-we refuse to pay it as the place is a dump,half the shops are closed down and we are already spending our money there. Hence quite a few parking fines-although perhaps I did exaggerate when I said hundredsGrin

Blissx · 27/08/2013 17:22

Don't worry, your experience is nearly over - for us, the last letter was the "Bailiff" letter with very ambiguous wording but designed to scare. It included "we may take you to court" which of course translated means we won't as money wise you are not worth it but it might scare you into either; sending us a letter and then you will have admitted some 'form' of contract or sending us a cheque. Ignore it. We obtained advice from our solicitor who happens to live three houses down and can honestly say, not only did they cease contact after the bailiff letter, but our credit rating has not been affected.

BelaLugosisShed · 27/08/2013 17:25

All I'm saying is, if you do get court papers, don't ignore.

WeAreEternal · 27/08/2013 17:28

I had one of these a few months ago, they ended up taking me to the small claims court for overstaying in a carpark at a hospital while I was working.

They wanted hundreds, I think it was up to about £400 by the time it went to court.

I was ordered to pay a grand total of £3.70, to cover the time I overstayed (the cost of a pay and display ticket)

The judge said that legally they are only entitled to any money that they are out of pocket for, iykwim.
So all of their 'late fees' are nonsense.

pinkdelight · 27/08/2013 18:01

It does sound like lots more are taking action, as opposed to before when the vibe was much more resoundingly 'ignore and they'll go away'.

That is hopeful though weareternal, though I'm hoping bliss is right about this letter being the last.

Can I just ask those - esp the v helpful people who've had legal advice - what is the downside to engaging with the firms? I remember it being key not to engage with them before, but now I'm wondering what the drawback is if I wrote to them to dispute/appeal now - how would that go against me in any way? Or is it just that it looks like their threats have had an effect so they'll be encouraged to pursue me with more vigour?

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TheToysAreALIVEITellThee · 27/08/2013 18:06

Google the bailiffs, you'll probably find they are part of the same company

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