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AIBU to panic about my personal care and grooming products now?

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PeaceAndHope · 25/08/2013 21:35

Apparently I am very ignorant when it comes the potential health dangers of cosmetics:(

I used to be a make-up artist when I was younger and I still enjoy painting on a face when I'm stepping out Grin

My SIL has just sent me a barrage of emails about the carcinogens (cancer-causing agents) in moisturisers, make-up and perfumes. There is all this information about lead in lipsticks, chromium and iron in eye shadows, parabens in moisturiser and some other dangerous stuff in anti-perspirants. All of these ingredients can apparently cause cancer and/or infertility. Hmm

What do you girls make of this? Do you think we should be concerned about what's in our make-up and toiletries? Will you stop using make-up and your favourite moisturiser after hearing about this?

I am personally scared now! I don't want to stop using make-up or my anti-frizz shampoo, but I am going to feel a lot less safe putting them on my body now.

Am I worrying over nothing? More importantly, are you worried?

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BOF · 26/08/2013 21:59

Let's just ignore that and have the discussion then.

Here is an excerpt from a scientific magazine- I'm copy and pasting so that people who are link-averse see it:

  1. Cosmetics

The (Unfounded) Scare: Cosmetics, and more specifically the parabens found in many types, can mimic the hormone estrogen within the body and lead to an increased risk of cancer, especially breast cancer.

Origin of the Scare: Activists have complained that cosmetics are largely under-regulated and require greater federal oversight. Pandering to these activist pleas, over the summer Congress introduced the Safe Cosmetics Act in the House of Representatives. Sponsored largely by the Campaign for Safe Cosmetics (CSC) ? a splinter group borne from the EWG dedicated to scaring the public about the so-called carcinogens they find in cosmetics ? the bill calls for cosmetic companies to supply the FDA with more product information than is currently required. This includes more details about the ingredients used and extra safety data assessments. In addition, CSC is requesting a database that classifies cosmetics into three categories based on ingredients: prohibited, restricted and safe without limits.

Media Coverage: In July, Siobhan O?Connor and Alexandra Sprunt published the book No More Dirty Looks: The Truth About Your Beauty Products and the Ultimate Guide to Safe and Clean Cosmetics, which is chock-full of inaccurate data. The authors frequently cite the notorious EWG for insight even though our research found only one member of the EWG board possesses scientific credentials.

Lawrence Meyers rebukes O?Connor?s and Sprunt?s novel and aptly spots the many gaps in their anti-cosmetic claims in a September op-ed for Big Journalism: ?When it comes to the alleged toxicity of perfumes and fragrances, there?s nothing worse than non-scientists eschewing readily-available scientific research in favor of village idiocy found on the internet, publishing their ?findings? in a book, and metastasizing their contaminated thinking across millions of viewers via a network morning show.?

Soon enough, actress Fran Drescher publicly sponsored the Campaign for Safe Cosmetics, and launched her own line of beauty products called ?FranBrand.? Ms. Drescher believes her ointments are non-toxic, yet they contain ingredients like retinyl plamitate and phenoxyethanol ? all classified as carcinogens on EWG?s Skin Deep website.

ACSH Perspective: ?If the system is inadequate, why have 80 fragrance ingredients been prohibited from being put into any product, and 83 restricted?? asks Mr. Meyers as he criticizes the need for greater oversight in a system that is already adequate. ??[T]hey insist on their toxicity by saying the system in place, ?doesn?t guarantee your safety.? Of course it doesn?t! No system guarantees our safety! Cars aren?t safe. Neither are planes. Neither is fast food. Nor are open umbrellas waved around in lightning storms,? Mr. Meyers contends in opposing the dubious health claims made by Ms. O?Connor and Ms. Sprunt in their book.

In an October 18 Dispatch, Dr. Ross notes, ?They fail to understand that we are all made of chemicals, and our food is made of chemicals. Further, no one has ever shown any actual risk of harm from the regular use of cosmetics. EWG and their various lists of dangers are meant solely to scare us and gain adherents for their anti-chemical, anti-business agenda.?

In a July op-ed for the Montreal Gazette, Dr. Joseph A. Schwarcz, director of McGill?s Office for Science and Society, debunks one of EWG?s widely promoted myths that retinyl palmitate, a common sunscreen additive, causes cancer. ?EWG does have some expert consultants, but its greatest expertise lies in garnering publicity for its pronouncements about toxins in our environment. The group also has expertise in the construction business, at least when it comes to making mountains out of molehills.?

The Bottom Line: The appropriate level of regulatory supervision has already been instituted to ensure the safety of cosmetics, and greater control in this arena is unnecessary and unwarranted. The trace levels of so called carcinogens found in cosmetics that activist groups attack are not associated with actual adverse health effects in humans.

PeaceAndHope · 26/08/2013 21:59

I use a lot of Palmer's and I know that is paraben-free.

I think I've tried Lily Lolo, but I don't remember.

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BOF · 26/08/2013 22:00

source (not snopes)

specialsubject · 26/08/2013 22:06

this kind of email is usually babble which can be easily disregarded by anyone with some understanding of science.

life is a terminal illness and 1 in 3 of us get cancer. The big risks are smoking, too much booze and sunbathing. Slap does not cause cancer. The stuff is all tested to destruction anyway.

file in the special file. The round one with the picture of the dustbin. :-)

PeaceAndHope · 26/08/2013 22:49

BOF

That is a fascinating link! Thanks so much for sharing it.

I think we are increasingly turning into a culture that wants to be ultra-modern (with the iPads and technology) and yet ultra-natural (with the push towards alternative medicine and natural products). I agree that aspects of modern living are certainly risky and dangerous, but the level of panic and scaremongering really goes overboard sometimes.

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JenaiMorris · 26/08/2013 22:56

Thank you, BOF.

It astonishes me that people still fall for this tosh.

There is a simple rule of thumb - if the sender of an email (or Facebook message) urges you to share some vital health information with 'all your girlfriends/the women in your life'), it is almost certainly utter bollocks.

PaulSmenis · 26/08/2013 23:44

I worry about it a lot, but I am a bit neurotic about these things. I chucked everything out a couple of years back and replaced it with parabens free natural versions.

It's silly really, because I smoked for 20 years.

gnittinggnome · 27/08/2013 08:40

Sorry chuck, it really does read like a journalist's research question.

But, as you're a consultant and presumably have to write reports and whatnot, you can take it as a compliment on your writing style?

And for what it's worth, tone is important when approaching these kind of emails - the more strident the tone, the more hysterical attempts at persuasive language and crucially the mere presence of rampant punctuation abuse (multiple !!!!! make everything more real!!!!!), the more likely it is to have been written by someone who you'd step away from if you saw them on the Tube.

MusicalEndorphins · 27/08/2013 09:09

Doesn't the UK must have goverment food and drug guidelines and conditions over make-up and so on? Can't be bothered to google it, since I don't believe this is a legit question anyways.

MusicalEndorphins · 27/08/2013 09:31

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23052193

Feminine · 27/08/2013 09:39

What on earth is that musical? :)

MusicalEndorphins · 27/08/2013 10:00

It is the wrong link. Blush
I found a guideline for cosmetics ingredients,
I haven't cleared my history yet, so will go search for the correct page.

MusicalEndorphins · 27/08/2013 10:04

Try again.
ec.europa.eu/health/ph_risk/committees/04_sccp/docs/sccp_o_03j.pdf

Feminine · 27/08/2013 10:08

I am a bit daft musical I assumed it was something I just didn't get!

Grin
MusicalEndorphins · 27/08/2013 10:16

Me too Feminine. I am very non-sciency, and was trying to find something with words I understand! One document was 165 pages long!

nenevomito · 27/08/2013 10:54

What kind of consultant?

Medical?
Beauty?
Toenail?
Story?

noobieteacher · 27/08/2013 11:09

Average lead in 400 lipstics - 1.11ppm (according to Snopes). Toxic levels for ingestion in 'candy' - 0.1ppm

If you eat a candy sized lipstick you will poison yourself big time, but if you eat one tenth of a lipstick you won't.

Anyway I didn't know lead gave you cancer, I thought it was just poisonous?

As far as other cosmetics go, it depends on whether they absorb from the skin into the bloodstream and how quickly that happens.

marvingay · 27/08/2013 12:43

Not in the least bit bothered. My mother is a fit 87 year old and has been using make up for at least 70 years.

DropYourSword · 27/08/2013 13:02

I'm a big fan of snopes. And also of using common sense. You'd think if it was actually true, there'd be a helluva lot more known cases of lip cancer. Pretty sure we're all safe for another day!

currentlyconfuseddotcom · 27/08/2013 13:32

PaulSmemis me too! My friends keep telling me that my healthy diet and organic skincare doesn't cancel it out :)

Peace I'm surprised you didn't get on with Inika, it's my favourite.

usuallyright · 27/08/2013 14:01

'Everything gives you Cancer'
Joe Jackson.
Great song.

PaulSmenis · 27/08/2013 14:34

currentlyconfuseddotcom I've stopped smoking now, but the 20 years worth of fags must have done me more harm than my cosmetics and toiletries. I'm always whittling about something health related.

currentlyconfuseddotcom · 27/08/2013 14:58

Paul, well done though! I think if you stop before you're 40 then recent studies showed that damage is minimal. I keep stop-starting.

PeaceAndHope · 27/08/2013 16:48

babyheave

I work as a management consultant.

currentlyconfused

I was surprised too! I was equally surprised that I didn't get on with Bare Minerals.

I spoke to a friend who is a beauty specialist and she said that mineral and natural makeup can sometimes have a higher metal composition (given that some minerals are derived from metals) and that is probably what didn't agree with my skin.

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PaulSmenis · 27/08/2013 16:49

currentlyconfuseddotcom I hope that's true about stopping before you're 40! The only problem is that I'm still hooked on the gum, but chewing has to be better than smoking. I go crazy without nicotine.