To think Marianne shouldn't have married Colonel Brandon?

[squoosh]

Okay Willoughby was a cad and a bounder and took himself out of the running, but I do think that Brandon swooped in to take advantage of her rain induced fever which had left her a bit dazed and compliant.

It's a bit creepy that he falls in love with her because she reminds him of his long lost, 'fallen', dead love. Plus he's a bit intense, the laughs wouldn't be forthcoming and I'll warrant he expected her to do all kinds of dark shit in the bedroom.

Ideally she'd have had another couple of seasons in London and met lots of nice suitors or maybe even nipped across to Pride and Prejudice and married that nice Colonel Fitzwilliam.

I'm going to watch the Amanda Root/Ciaron Hinds version of Persuasion later if I can find it on Youtube.

I've just looked for it, it's quite hard to find, all I can find are clips, grrr. She's an excellent Anne, and Mr Hinds is a wonderful Wentworth. You can find the 2007 version online though, might give that a shot.

I ordered it online thanks to the recommendation of this thread, but I ALWAYS forget when it's a bloody bank holiday!

I'm reeeeaaaallllly looking forward to it

Yep, they've done a good job blocking it. I can find the Romola Garai Emma in it's entirety, that'll have to do! Although I think she's quite smackable in it.

Tortoise Mr. Knightley is lovely though not a lech; he was not a snob he had a well run farm and respected the 'old' ways he was was careful to look after Emma's dad (even living in her house not his after their marriage).

Give me Knightley any time!!!!

Emma has a sister though. married to Knightley's younger brother.
Keep it in the family

Sad face is for Persuasion being blocked on youtube.

Last year I was in Bath and was beyond excited at walking down the Gravel Walk. Had to keep reminding myself that Anne and Wentworth were not real people.

I'm settling for Johnny Lee Miller as Knightly instead. Some Spanish guy has uploaded all the episodes. I had forgotten how annoying Jane Fairfax is as well. And Churchill in this version is really piggy looking.

There is a drama on BBC1 right now starring 1995's Mr Collins and 2005's Charlotte Lucas!

Oh, whoops, yes, forgot about the sister. My point still applies, though.

Knightley isn't lovely! Okay, maybe grooming is too harsh, but that whole speech about how he has wanted her since she was thirteen, and has spent the intervening years moulding her character and correcting her...? Nobody else finds that icky? Nobody?

But he doesn't mean it in a nasty way JA mentions how Emma has been totally indulged by her father and governess\nanny and her actions show this. Only Knightley can see it and e.g. corrects her snobbishness\unkindness towards Miss Bates. She can see this and she LOVES him.

I always forget that Emma isn't an only child.

I don't think he's creepy. It was the norm for older men to marry younger women. I traced my family tree way back to about 1351, and in the Georgian period, I had one relative, a lady called Hamble ( like the playschool doll!) who had married at 16, and had a kid a year until she conked out, through sheer knackeredness I'd imagine at the age of 24. 7 kids, 4 lived. Then the husband married again, this time to a much older girl of 18! And had another 5 kids. And then she conked out. And he married again to a very elderly lady of 21! By this time he was about 43.

So not weird, to them, but weird to us, yes.

I've got 2 hours left till the kids come home, shall I go for Wuthering Heights or North and South?

True squoosh me too; I wonder why JA needed the sister, apart from the having a reason to go to town, and for Emm to show how good she is with babies but both could've been done in a different way (not like Frank Churchill who goes to town 'FOR A HAIRCUT" OMG I love litttle touches like that that show how things have changed since 1815 or so!

Actually sheridand Nowadays it still goes on but the girls are even younger when they marry in parts of Asia .

Oh sorry sheridan North and South every time!!!!

It does, I know, and it's HORRIBLE. Seen too many girls vanish from school once they go on "holiday".

I'm going for the Tenant of Wildfell Hall, i'd forgotten all about it but You Tube reminded me!

I've neither read nor watched The Tenant of Wildfell Hall. I feel ashamed of myself.

It's brilliant! It's very much neglected and it's amazingly forward thinking. A woman leaves her abusive husband, and tries to forge a life for herself. In the TV series, Rupert Graves is the horrible husband and he is VILE! Toby Stephens is the saviour / hunk.

Oooooh I might just have popped the DVD in my Amazon shopping basket!

Yes I agree about TTOWH. The book goes on a bit but it is good.

The abusive husband is based on Branwell Bronte the druggy brother IIRC.

I don't know a single thing about TTOWH...

Shamefaced.

I have an English degree