Birthmarks...

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I've just read this article, sorry it's DM but was bored .

Anyway my point is that if this treatment is so painful maybe they should just stop??? DH has a huge birthmark on his face, his Mother made him go for laser treatment when he was a child which was excruciatingly painful, she eventually let him stop after he begged her. He now wonders why she couldn't just accept him the way he is.

And in this case the information may very well have been that her heart/eyesight was (more) at risk leaving a growing strawberry mark than trying to control it.

Indeed - the functional aspects will have overridden the cosmetic

I have a friend who has a child with Sturge-Weber. The birthmark has other medical implications that need to be managed. In my friend's case the child's birthmark extends to his brain and it is very important that it is prevented from spreading as it can increase seizures. I don't think it is entirely cosmetic in this instance.

I would also add, that having a child with Sturge-Weber, from what I have seen, means having a child in GOSH every couple of months, with seizures, surgery on their eyes, amending medication, surgery due to complications with chest infections, it's an exhausting, worrying and frightening illness. I think it very unlikely the parents would be subjecting their child to anything further unless it was medically necessary.

BookOfRuth my little sister had an identical strawberry mark when she was little! Exactly the same shape/size/location as a bindhi. An old Indian guy came up to them in the park when she was little and started telling them she was blessed Very cute.

Hers disappeared when she was about 2.5/3, but my mum says that she agonised over what she'd have done if it hadn't disappeared. I really don't know what I'd do in that situation, and certainly wouldn't judge any parent for acting or not acting in such a tough call situation.

My dd too has a 'birthmark' very similar to this little girl. When like this they are rarely just birthmarks and often are a symptom of a deeper problem. She has regular laser treatments and they are always done under general anesthetic, she wakes up to no pain and goes home the same day, after the hospital, (GOSH) has made a massive fuss of her - ice cream, toys etc... She is grateful for the surgery as her birthmark has faded considerably so she can see the benefits herself. The only part of the laser she hates is the smell of the gas/ anesthesia so not painful at all. In fact she cries when we go to the dentist but quite like Gt Ormond Street!
Thanks to the surgery she gets less stares, random strangers asking her what it is etc... The laser itself has been considerably improved since your husband's childhood. GOSH now have a double headed laser that penetrates deeper but leaves less of those purple spots you see on that little girls face.

I agree that in this case it's probably done for medical reasons rather than cosmetic.

In the OP's DH's case his mum was probably trying to do the best for him. I have a port wine stain on my cheek and had probably about ten treatments between 6 and 12. It was painful at the time but it didn't hurt afterwards, even though it looks awful and purple. The technology has definitely improved, I had decided at 12 to stop treatment and went for one last go with a new machine that shot cold air after each blast. It was much better but I was starting high school and decided that the purple scabs would be harder to put up with than just my birthmark. It's still very noticeable but make-up hides it fairly well. It must be a hard decision for parents to make and hard to watch their child in pain.

Meant to add, those purple spots only last about a week. You also don't get them as much with the new laser but I think maybe only GOSH has that laser.

Also should add that her birthmark which was just as extensive as this girl's has disappeared in places and considerably improved in others. I now have a happier, more confident child.

My DS had a birthmark and after lots of comments from complete strangers we made the decision to have it lazored. It wasn't a decision that we took lightly and as he got older we made it clear to him that it was entirely HIS decision whether the treatment continued, as his birthmark made no difference to how we felt about him. What I CAN say categorically, is that it never caused him any discomfort at all, and he stopped the treatment was he was 10 and HE decided that the mark was nearly invisible and it was too much bother to drive for an hour to the hospital. He had the treatment under a general anaethsetic when he was very young, but when he was 4 HE decided that he'd rather just have it done awake.

Please don't judge parents for making what is a very tough decision.
People are cruel, laser treatment is painful and birthmarks aren't always treated because of cosmetic reasons (look up ulcerated haemangiomas and ask if you would get it lasered if it would help heal it).
It can be very difficult to come to terms with the fact your child looks different and the way in which other people react to them.
My DS1 developed a haemangioma a few days after he was born. It was on his face, covering his whole cheek and around his left eye.

Within a couple of weeks he couldn't open his eye.

The birthmark was bright red and raised and if he accidentally caught his nail on it, it bled and bled and bled.
It grew over his tear duct which meant his eye couldn't drain properly and all the liquid from his eye pooled in a groove underneath - we were lucky it didn't ulcerate.
It was hot all the time and the skin was very dry and constantly peeling off. It also got worse in hot weather.
Because of where it was his eyeball wouldn't have developed properly and he would've been blind in that eye.

It was difficult to come to terms with at first especially as they keep growing very quickly for a minimum of 6 months, sometimes a year.

On top of this I had to deal with people like the lady in Boots who asked to look at my baby and when she saw him exclaimed 'yuck!' And walked off without another word. People asking if I'd hurt him (yes, really!)

So, after a course of propranolol which reduced the swelling, he had one course of laser aged 22 months. It is nearly gone completely and he was absolutely fine. He didn't even know it had happened. There is still some of it left and we have to decide whether to laser it again or not.

I don't know if we will, but I do know that you have no right to judge anyone in this situation as we're all just parents trying to do our best.

But that is your husbands experience and his body/health. just because he has problems with his mum's decision (and i hope he doesnt make her feel guilty for it) it doesnt mean everyone feels the same way. Maybe if this little girl had hers left she would grow up wondering why it didnt get lazered as a youngest before she is old enough to remember. maybe it is causing her problems that it didnt cause your husband. the truth is, whilst you know how your husband feels about his birthmark, you dont know about this little girl's or the implications it is causing.

My niece has a very large port wine stain all across one half of her face.

She as had laser treatment since she was a baby, it is under GA and not painful, my DB and BIL will continue as long as she wants to continue, she is now 13, and has had the laser treatment every 6 months from birth.

She is a beautiful vivacious girl with no hang ups about her face at all. She has always been accepted just as she is, and she is totally unfazed by it.

But it isn't simply cosmetic. They did lots of tests when she was little to see if there was any complications under her skin, or effects on her eye etc.
As she goes through puberty it is likely to thicken and darken quite a lot.
It effects her mouth, her lip is thicker and slightly miss shaped on one side and if this got worse it could start to effect her speech or eating. She has 2 extra eye teeth on that side too, possibly due to the extra blood circulation??

So she continues with the laser treatment, it has helped some, it is lighter I think than if it had gone untreated, but it hasn't removed it. It probably helps to offset the effects of puberty, but actually, none of us know that or by how much.

I don't think you can say that you shouldn't try to do something. It isn't always either/or. It isn't laser treatment OR societies attitude, it is both/and at the same time

Please don't judge the parents. They love their child and there's no doubt that they are doing what they feel is best for their child. I don't know anything about the syndrome but I'm sure that no one would subject a child to any more procedures on too if what they already have to go through, if there was no medical reason to . She looks like a beautiful cheeky little two yr old. What a brave girl!

My dd has two little birth marks on her face. They have faded so much they were really dark as a baby. But she notices them and does sometimes ask for me to do something about them. But to me she's beautiful and I can't justify the pain and the risk as one is do close to her eye. I don't know what the treatment for her would be but I can't imagine that anyone would put their kid through an uneccessary procedures.