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Aibu to think that sueing the church over gay marriage is not acceptable?

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Orlux · 03/08/2013 08:59

Here:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2383686/Millionaire-gay-fathers-sue-Church-England-allowing-married-church.html

I supported the right of gay couples to have same rights as heterosexual ones, but I feel this is going to far. Plus my religious friends (I'm agnostic) are now having a go at my naivety. Blush

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LRDYaDumayuShtoTiKrasiviy · 03/08/2013 20:14

What a surprise.

Crumbledwalnuts · 03/08/2013 23:54

OUtraged fromLeeds:

'To be honest I wouldn't like to be a bloke walking hand in hand with another down a street of a Sharia area at night.' Whereas you'd be safe as houses doing that in, for example, Uganda, a predominantly Christian country....oh no....wait a minute.

Why are you talking about Uganda? Do you live in Uganda? Who is "we" when you said Muslims aren't as tolerant as "we" are? Did you mean Christians? Did you mean UK residents? did you mean mumsnetters?

nooka · 04/08/2013 00:00

Because 'Sharai area' implies a Muslim country perhaps, and Uganda, a Christian country has had a fair share of really nasty homophobic incidents recently? I'm sure you spotted the Hmm face on the other post too.

OutragedFromLeeds · 04/08/2013 00:36

'Why are you talking about Uganda?'

Pretty much as nooka says, it's a Christian country that treats gay people in a terrible way. It was to contrast your point that gay people are less accepted in Muslim countries/areas. I was demonstrating that there are as many homophobic Christians as there are Muslims. TBH I think you knew that was my point.

'Do you live in Uganda?'

No.

'Who is "we" when you said Muslims aren't as tolerant as "we" are? Did you mean Christians? Did you mean UK residents? did you mean mumsnetters?'

I meant anyone who isn't Muslim. The poster specified Mosques as being somewhere that would never allow gay marriage, as if Muslims are somehow less tolerant than 'everyone else'. I think you know that's what I meant there too. I also think you saw the Hmm face.

bemybebe · 04/08/2013 11:03

You don't need to go to Uganda to see disgusting homophobic attitudes. Go to Russia. People get killed there.

bemybebe · 04/08/2013 11:07

The Independent on Russian homophobia

PeriodFeatures · 04/08/2013 11:08

....and what is happening in Greece at the moment is absolutely abhorrent.

OutragedFromLeeds · 04/08/2013 12:38

Absolutely, Uganda was just the first one that came to mind (I was reading about it recently), it's by no means the only one! They recently tried to introduce the death penalty for certain 'homosexual acts', they settled for life imprisonment in the end. It's not random attacks, its state endorsed homophobia in a predominantly Christian country that was my only point.

Crumbledwalnuts · 05/08/2013 07:44

I was talking about the UK and the Church of England. If you are going to bring Uganda into it we can also talk about Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Malaysia..well think you get the idea.

Would you like to read this from the Economist?

"ONE leaflet showed a wooden doll hanging from a noose and suggested burning or stoning homosexuals. ?God Abhors You? read another. A third warned gays: ?Turn or Burn?. Three Muslim men who handed out the leaflets in the English city of Derby were convicted of hate crimes on January 20th. One of them, Kabir Ahmed, said his Muslim duty was ?to give the message?.

That message?at least in the eyes of religious purists? is uncompromising condemnation. Of the seven countries that impose the death penalty for homosexuality, all are Muslim. Even when gays do not face execution, persecution is endemic. In 2010 a Saudi man was sentenced to 500 lashes and five years in jail for having sex with another man. In February last year, police in Bahrain arrested scores of men, mostly other Gulf nationals, at a ?gay party?. Iranian gay men are typically tried on other trumped-up charges. But in September last year three were executed specifically for homosexuality. (Lesbians in Muslim countries tend to have an easier time: in Iran they are sentenced to death only on the fourth conviction.)"

Don't be so naive.

Crumbledwalnuts · 05/08/2013 07:45

Here is the link

Lazyjaney · 05/08/2013 07:55

This was predicted widely by the Church and others, the government and all the Gay marriage fans said don't be silly.

And here we are, a few months later......

Crumbledwalnuts · 05/08/2013 08:20

Yes, it certainly was. In fact the response was - this will absolutely not happen and it's scaremongering to say it will. Yet it was so obvious that someone would try to make the point, someone didn't care.

JessicaBeatriceFletcher · 05/08/2013 08:25

I have a gay friend (well, several) that uses an internet site to 'meet' guys. These two invited him to join them in a hotel when they were visiting our area once for sex. They 'promoted' themselves to him by sending him links to assorted news stories they had been featured in. This was about two years ago.

I've no idea where the kids were, but certainly not with them at the time.

Doesn't sound like the sort of behaviour I would expect from a practicing Christian.

MrsDeVere · 05/08/2013 08:35

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JessicaBeatriceFletcher · 05/08/2013 08:39

MrsDeVere - because

a) it shows their lifestyle to be all about publicity and their supposed status so I don't believe for one moment this is about anything other than yet more publicity for them
b) one of the two made a big thing about them being a "practicing Christian" but I don't think meeting strangers for random threesomes is something genuinely practicing Christians do

Sorry, I'd have thought that relevant.

wharrgarbl · 05/08/2013 09:05

I honestly think that all churches should stop conducting marriages altogether and instead people can be married in a civil ceremony then have a religious blessing afterwards

Welcome to France.

This:
Anybody you meet in rl who tells you they're OK with two gay dads and two gay mums is probably either being diplomatic/sh scared of saying otherwise/lying.

is one of the larger loads of bollocks I've seen this year. What utter garbage. I'm happy to see every child a wanted child, regardless of the familial configuration. I really don't give a shit.
Don't extend your saddo prejudices over the rest of us, thanks. .

AppleLady · 05/08/2013 09:11

I want to thank everyone who has been supportive and celebratory of diversity in this thread. As one mother in a two mum, two child family, I was disturbed to read the many homophobic and hateful comments - but gratified to see that the supportive ones far outnumbered them!

Crumbledwalnuts · 05/08/2013 09:16

I think the idea is that churches either bow to the demand or have to stop having anything to do with marriage. In other words: - if we can't have it we don't want anyone to have it.

Most people in this country are happy with the status quo. Most were happy with the civil partnership idea. This is trouble making. To try to compare Anglicans who prefer the status quo with people who back the death penalty in Iran and Uganda is exaggeration of the worst kind.

PeriodFeatures · 05/08/2013 09:22

I don't think meeting strangers for random threesomes is something genuinely practising Christians do

I identify myself as a Christian and go to church. I also love drinking and dancing till 5am, the word 'cunt', and erotica.

Is that alright with you?

Crumbledwalnuts · 05/08/2013 09:23

Period, do you think meeting strangers for random threesomes is a Christian act?

YABU for using the word cunt at all, actually.

PeriodFeatures · 05/08/2013 09:26

Not all anglicans prefer the status quo Crumbledwalnuts There are some Anglicans who have been quietly pushing for this for a really long time.

I know a couple of Gay anglican vicars, very committed men of great faith and integrity who have managed to hold on to their faith and integrity despite the huge wave of negativity towards them.

Crumbledwalnuts · 05/08/2013 09:27

I know they don't.

Do you think meeting strangers for random threesomes is a Christian act?

JessicaBeatriceFletcher · 05/08/2013 09:27

Period - Did I say anything about drinking, dancing until 5am, the word cunt or use of erotica? Um, don't think so. I still think that the vast majority of practising Christians would find threesomes not the done thing.

Crumbledwalnuts · 05/08/2013 09:29

Jessica - did your friend go to the papers with what happened?

lovecupboards · 05/08/2013 09:30

What does the bible say about threesomes then?