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AIBU?

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To think that most couples are not like this (long, sorry!)

53 replies

WantAnotherCat · 02/08/2013 13:55

I have been with my dp for 4 years, lived together for 3 ½ years, and are both 23. I honestly love him loads and do find him physically attractive still. If it wasn't for the issue of sex our relationship would be practically perfect. The first few paragraphs are a bit of a rant, feel free to skip.

A bit of background info (sorry if tmi): About 6 months into our relationship I started finding sex really painful. I suffered for quite a while until I finally went to the doctor who said I had a really bad case of thrush. After this was finally treated I still found sex painful, so in the next few years I had various visits to different GPs and sexual health clinics where they prodded around (always horribly painful!) and found nothing. Sex was unbearably painful so we really only did it once every few months. Finally at the start of this year I went to a new GP and she said I may have vaginismus. I went on to research this and I agree that I do. I have bought dilators to use on my own to help me relax, and they have helped a bit, but sex still isn?t particularly nice, but I can put up with it now.

My dp seems to think he is some sort of saint for staying with me all this time whilst not having much sex. At times he?s been really patient, but other times he?ll make comments about how I?m not normal, most women like sex blah blah blah. I KNOW I?m not normal, I don?t need him to keep telling me! He always apologises after, saying he just gets frustrated, which I do understand, but it really doesn?t help. Because vaginismus is very psychological, when he says hurtful things it makes me want sex even less. Also, because I know it is going to be painful, I find it really hard to get turned on. I know it sounds weird but I like to plan sex, I guess it helps me prepare mentally. I know he wants to be more spontaneous and let ?one thing lead to another? sometimes, but right now I can?t, and he just doesn?t get that.

He always wants me to wear sexy underwear. One time he got in a sulk when we were shopping because I didn?t want to buy a new set of sexy stuff (we have hardly any money, I already own quite a few sets which I rarely use, so I see very little point in buying another set until I actually enjoy using them!)

Ok that was just a bit of a rant, this is my AIBU:
Every single night when we settle down to watch TV, he always puts my hand on his crotch and wants me to play with him. Not necessarily to lead to anything, but just wants me to touch him. Often he will start to grope my breasts and touch me ?down there?. I just find this really irritating, not a turn on at all. If I am watching TV I want to be able to relax, not feel on edge the whole time. I have to be in the right frame of mind for anything to feel nice. He seems to think everyone else does this, whereas I really can?t picture other couples in a long term relationship touching each other like this every single night. Like I said, I do really love him, and whilst I still find him attractive, I just don?t feel the need to always touch him.

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WantAnotherCat · 02/08/2013 15:10

OhMerGerd: You are completely right. He is a good person, I trust him completely and know that despite all this he wouldn't cheat on me even though clearly he needs/wants more sex. I just find it really frustrating a simple thing like sex, which many people enjoy, is so stressful and such a big issue for me.

LockedUp: thank you for sharing your experience. When I researched it, I read loads of posts from people like you saying their partner waited years for them, which made me really frustrated when my dp thought he was amazing for waiting a few months. On the other hand he is thoughtful at the same time. If it is hurting too much he will stop, I know he doesn't like seeing me in pain. He will also go slower to make it more comfortable for me. He really is trying, but I know I don't make it easy for him.

I think now that we've started having sex more regularly, he seems to think I'm completely better (even though he knows it still hurts a bit), but he expects more and more from me, e.g. trying different positions, even more often etc.

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maja00 · 02/08/2013 15:12

Twice a week strikes me as a fair amount for a long term relationship.

In answer to your question, it definitely isn't normal for most men to pressure their girlfriend/partner into holding their knob every night while watching TV. Most couples are not like that!

Fallout1977 · 02/08/2013 15:15

Ahh well in your original post you didn't say you had sex twice a week now lol well my advice is to slap his hand away every time he tries to touch you down there when your watching your soaps and if he tries to get you to handle his bits then tell him no! If he's going to act like a randy dog then treat him like one ;)
Btw my dh and I are very physical so yes we are a couple who like a good old grope and fondle on the sofa when the kids are safely asleep upstairs ;)

WantAnotherCat · 02/08/2013 15:15

whois: it used to be once every few months, but now it is much more regular. Its not twice EVERY week, but I'd say it averages out at that. I must be one of the few people who loves having her period because it means I'm off limits for a week Smile

LockedUp: I didn't realise you could get it on nhs, my gp never mentioned it. I've looked into hypnotherapy but that was way too expensive. I may be worth looking into pychosexual councelling then, thank you.

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JackieTheFart · 02/08/2013 15:18

He is a dick to be acting like that when despite your physical/psychological issues you are still having sex twice a week!

And no, even when DH and I were first living together and were in our early twenties (and maybe shagging once or twice a night) it wasn't normal for me to be fondling him when watching Eastenders.

Binkyridesagain · 02/08/2013 15:18

Twice a week is normal and healthy in a relationship. He is not being deprived and he certainly does not have uncontrollable urges.

Your body is your own to do with as you desire, it is not there for someone else to play with without your consent. If you do not want the attention at certain times then he MUST understand and respect your decision.

PeppermintPasty · 02/08/2013 15:29

Sorry, but he sounds tedious and immature in the extreme. If he's frustrated he can have a wank ffs! Twice a week isn't bad at all, putting your hand on his knob every time you bloody well sit down is beyond awful.

Put on some boxing gloves or something and punch him one if he does it again, that should sort it.

LockedUp · 02/08/2013 15:35

Go back to the GP and ask for a referral, it took about 9 months for me to be seen, but now my appointments range from weekly-monthly spacings depending on my needs/availability of appointments. It will vary place to place but it is the 'recognised' treatment for your diagnosed condition so you are entitled to it.

Although frankly, managing twice a week is heroic- you are doing really really well, I'd be so happy with that Smile

PaleHousewifeOfCumbriaCounty · 02/08/2013 16:21

Hes being very immature. If you are shagging twice a week he has no need to ask for handjobs in front of the tv

Runningchick123 · 02/08/2013 16:23

I was trying to understand his sexual frustration when I posted earlier but that was before you said that you have sex twice a week. Twice a week is around the average for most couples and more than a lot of couples so now that I have that extra info I think your OH is being a selfish git.
Next time he wants you to hold his knob whilst watching tv make sure you put a scary movie on and then squeeze his knob extra hard when the scary bits start - hopefully it will hurt him and he won't ask you to do it again Grin.

Pagwatch · 02/08/2013 16:24

Jesus, being pressured into fondling his dick every night is not normal, no.

Tbh being pressured to do anything is not part of a loving relationship. He is being a selfish twat.

NeedlesCuties · 02/08/2013 16:49

I'd tell him to go off to the loo to sort out his own urges, let you watch TV in peace!

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 02/08/2013 16:51

OP

When I asked whether you "trust" him, I didn't mean - "do you trust him not to go off with anyone else"

I meant do you trust him to do the best for you. To treat you as he would wish to be treated. I am just getting the feeling that you are wanting to "fix" yourself for him.

It also sounds very penetration-centric. I really recommend you read that book and start thinking about yourself.

Madamecastafiore · 02/08/2013 16:52

No everybody does not do, this he is an abusive twat and you need to LTB.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 02/08/2013 16:52

"I must be one of the few people who loves having her period because it means I'm off limits for a week"

And that is a sad statement.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 02/08/2013 16:54

I have seen no mention in what you've written about you getting any enjoyment or satisfaction.

LockedUp · 02/08/2013 17:08

OP I'm going to NC back and slip back into anonymity that doesn't tie me to this subject.... But if you want help or support on the issue do PM me xx

WantAnotherCat · 02/08/2013 17:09

JamieandtheMagicTorch: You say you get the feeling that I want to "fix" myself for him - we split up very briefly over this during a time when we were having no sex at all. Dp said surely I need to get myself sorted at some point, because obviously in my next relationship I'm going to have to have sex. So his reasoning is if I love him so much, is he not worth "fixing" myself for. I agree with him here, because I do love him, and I want to make things work with us.

With regards to me getting any enjoyment or satisfaction - he does try, he is very "giving" in those terms. If it was up to him he would pleasure me every day I think. But my problem is, and I'm sure it's all psychological relating back to painful sex, is that when he does try to start things for me, I just find it irritating. Because although when we get going with stuff other than sex, it does start to feel really good, I'd be just as happy not doing anything at all. I just don't feel that urge or desire that he and many other people do.

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WantAnotherCat · 02/08/2013 17:10

ok thank you LockedUp Smile

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YoniBottsBumgina · 02/08/2013 17:22

He is being a twat about this. I honestly can't think of anything less sexy.

It also worries me a bit that you say you have sex twice a week as you are "making the effort" but you look forward to your period because that means you are off limits. You are actually entitled to not have sex when you don't feel like it, you know. I realise that having a specific medical condition makes it more difficult and perhaps you don't get the same sense of wanting it/not wanting it that somebody without the same condition has, but still - don't feel like you need to have sex more often because he wants it more often, go at the pace which is comfortable for you.

Also, and I know one situation is very different to another, but I had something which sounds incredibly similar to this when I was 18-21ish - sex always painful and not a lot of fun for me, sometimes even impossible due to the degree of "tightness" and dryness (sorry if TMI). I thought it was condoms, the pill, we tried lube etc, didn't help. The only thing that did was me using my vibrator to sort of force myself to relax before he entered me. Often I would use the vibrator all the way through sex. This is really stupid looking back, but we stopped using condoms and the pill because I thought that both of them were causing the problem, and, predictably, I ended up pregnant. After the birth I was just relieved I had a legitimate excuse not to try for a while Blush. I found vaginal examinations during pregnancy really, excruciatingly painful. I almost fainted during one of them.

Anyway, we ended up splitting up, reasons were complex, but one of the big ones (among the others) was that he was constantly pressurising me for sex. Every few months we would have a big argument where he said I wasn't normal (thanks, I was aware of that and already feeling terrible about it) and that I needed to try harder, wear sexy outfits for him, blah blah. The everyday stuff was worse, though. Every time we were sitting together, yep, hand on the penis. In bed, hand on the penis. I was supposed to wank him off as he fell asleep. I used to just sort of do it slower and slower and pretend I had fallen asleep. If I decided I wanted to do oral or something he'd be delighted, but then expect the same thing every night from then on. If I gave him a hand job he'd be all "Now use your mouth, please, I really want to feel your mouth on me." and if I gave him oral he would be all "I really want to be inside you" - always pushing for one step more. I ended up really resentful - why didn't he just feel grateful for what I was offering! I instigated a "sex timetable" just so that I had days of the week when I wouldn't get any pressure, but that didn't work because he would text me every day from work saying "Which day is it today?"

I never got any dilators because I never got to the stage of medical intervention - too embarrassed to go in the first place, then was pregnant, then recovering from birth, but I did have a couple of dildos (which I never used, didn't see the point) and after we split up I decided to try on my own to see if I could, basically. It took me a while but I eventually worked up to the biggest one, again using the vibrator, and it was okay. But I didn't miss sex at all and I was glad to be single and not have to worry about it any more.

When I first got together with DP I was so worried about the sex issue. I warned him that I wasn't very good at sex and probably wouldn't want it very often, also that I might not be ready for a long time in the relationship. We got together in October and I mentally gave myself a deadline of Christmas/New Year, although I then worried myself to death wondering if I would be ready by then, and thinking surely he would be fed up if we had been together for 2 months and hadn't had sex yet. And then one day he confessed that he was also nervous about sex, because he had been single for 3 years, and he was worried he wouldn't be any good. He said, as a joke, can we just not have sex for at least 6 months? That made me laugh, and it made me relax. Our first kiss was great - we just kissed for, literally, hours, with no hint of any groping, touching, even undressing. I'd never experienced anything like that before.

Anyway, in this relationship - we've been together almost 3 years now - the issue has all but disappeared. In fact, it does flare up sometimes and all I have to do is say to DP slow down or go back a step and he's perfectly happy to do so. Either we slow it right down and it's alright, or we just stop and that's fine too. On very rare occasions, I think two or three times ever, I have totally clamped up and it has become uncomfortable in the middle of sex and we have just stopped and that has been it - no guilt trips, no pressure to finish things in another way if I didn't feel like it. In fact he was more concerned with making sure I was okay. Some weeks we have sex a lot, and others we don't have sex at all. I don't know if it's a combination of being more relaxed in general around him or the fact that he's very respectful and never pushy about it when it is a problem, but effectively I feel normal now, I feel like I have a normal sex drive (sometimes he jokes that he can't keep up and I lured him into the relationship under false pretences Grin) and looking back, I think the problem with my ex was that something was telling me "I don't feel safe here". I know that the sex problems came far earlier than I was aware of actually not being happy with him, but the more I pulled away, the more he pushed, which made me recoil more and it just led to a really vicious circle. I have a theory that some people are just really sensitive to things like that and it affects us sexually.

Sorry that was really long Blush and may not be the same thing as you at all, but I couldn't not post, it just reminded me so much of the situation I was in if that makes sense. I hope that in some way it helps you find a resolution, whether that is with your current partner or not. I think if there is any hope of things improving he's going to really have to see your point of view and adjust his attitude in a very significant way. I wish you luck with it.

YoniBottsBumgina · 02/08/2013 17:25

Oh and I can cope perfectly fine with VEs now as well Confused Not sure whether this is my new found ease for sex, or to do with childbirth, but they are definitely much easier and not painful at all.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 02/08/2013 17:32

But, but - "fixing" seems to be just pushing on through the pain, putting up with his frankly, rude demands for groping because if not you'll go on to disappoint the next person.

This has become a vicious circle. The resentment you are venting here about sex is frankly not likely to get you in the mood.

I think Yoni's post above is really useful. What she says, in particular about feeling safe

WantAnotherCat · 02/08/2013 17:46

I don't want to make out that he is some sort of beast, he really isn't. He has never forced me into serious, i.e. he will put my hand on his penis, but he won't force me into having sex. If it was up to me I would be happy to never have sex until we're trying to conceive! But I know our relationship would not last like that. Therefore I feel I need to make myself do it, not him making me do it. It did cross my mind that the pill wasn't helping matters as I've read that it decreases sex drive, but I won't stop taking it just yet. I get through so much lube now, no chance I will have sex without it.

"Anyway, we ended up splitting up, reasons were complex, but one of the big ones (among the others) was that he was constantly pressurising me for sex. Every few months we would have a big argument where he said I wasn't normal (thanks, I was aware of that and already feeling terrible about it) and that I needed to try harder, wear sexy outfits for him, blah blah. The everyday stuff was worse, though. Every time we were sitting together, yep, hand on the penis." This sounds very much like us.

To be honest, the sex I am starting to cope with, and I am hoping in time that it will get better. What annoys me is the little things, like having to hold his penis all night, him commenting on my knickers if I wear just normal, non-sexy knickers, or my efforts not being quite good enough.
For example the other week I wore sexy underwear, like a corset-style one, but I didn't have the tights and suspenders on. I thought I was making an effort, but it wasn't good enough because he wants the full thing!

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WantAnotherCat · 02/08/2013 17:49

I do have dilators to use, so I can practise relaxing and sticking things up me. But sometimes life gets in the way and I don't have time to use them. This is what sometimes frustrates dp. If he knows I've not used them for a while it annoys him because he knows then that I am not helping myself.

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JamieandtheMagicTorch · 02/08/2013 17:53

Course he's not a beast, you wouldn't be with him.

Look I don't know him, but he sounds immature.

The not good enough thing sounds like he's got some fantasy in mind that you aren't living up to. That's pretty objectifying.