to think that "Fast-track" is just paying to push in?

[Scholes34]

Just that, really. After spending a day with four kids at Alton Towers and a lot of time in various queues, is fast-track really just paying to push in?

[janey68]

You own a house thesecondcoming? How bloody unfair of you to have an asset which poor people who can only afford to rent don't have.

[Growlithe]

Well the point is, you were able to buy a house because you had the money. Not everyone can do that.

Why do you think a two tier system in something as fundamental as housing is ok, but a two tier system for something as frivilous as a themepark is unfair?

[Growlithe]

And it was a hypothetical point in saying what if your house is better than mine. It is bound to be better than some people's. Is that fair?

[janey68]

Oh right, so according to your system secondcoming, buying a 3 bedroom house is acceptable. That's more than a lot of people can afford. By your logic, you therefore shouldn't be allowed it.

You've set your own baseline- which for you happens to be a 3 bedroom house - and are judging everyone else by your own personal standard.

[janey68]

I wonder how your argument would stack up, secondcoming, against someone who can only afford to have one child and live in a rented one or two bed flat? According to your logic, they would have every right to see you as the beneficiary of a two tier system.

[TantrumsAndBalloons]

yes but realistically it isnt possible, is it for everyone to live in the same type of house, drive the same type of car, etc etc

and, tbh you could be well able to afford the inflated fast track prices but simply choose not to do it.

Getting into a debate about whether it is fair that some people can afford to buy whilst others have to rent seems a bit far removed from choosing to fast track at thorpe park?

[janey68]

You enjoy that pretty yard in the sunshine. Don't let the fact that other people can't afford a house with outside space put you off

[FrancesDeLaTourCoughngIntoABin]

Suppos the point is we all choose to spend our mo ey on different things. As long as were not talki g about a fundamental right you either pay or you dont. Its nit an inequality

[Growlithe]

Well really the debate is that we don't live in some communist utopia, so why should Alton Towers have to run like one?

[Growlithe]

BTW TSC if you can't take your own reasoning to its ultimate conclusion, by applying it to the rest of life, I would suggest it is you who doesn't really understand what you are on about.

[SarahBumBarer]

People with more money get better/quicker service/products?



I might be able to work up some contempt for the fact that people with more money get better/quicker medical treatment (having just had to use our private medical cover to get my 12 month old seen promptly for a heart condition I am actually particularly annoyed by this).

But theme park access - erm, not really!

[TantrumsAndBalloons]

growlithe I don't think it should, I fast tracked round Thorpe park last week because I hate queuing for 3 hours for a 30 second ride.
I was just wondering how the thread went from fast tracking tickets to housing. But I should have just RTFT properly first

[choccyp1g]

Surely the real issue is that these theme parks are cheating us?

You and your DCs buy a very expensive pass so that you can go in and ride lots of exciting contraptions all day long, but actually you can only go on a few, because you spend most of your time queueing.

If they are attracting that many people then they need to build more rides, and different things to do while you are there.

And don't get me started on paying to park on top of everything else.

[janey68]

I think whether people can afford ( or want!) to go, or feel they are getting value for money is an entirely different argument (and a perfectly valid one- I can't stand theme parks ) But given that they exist, it seems unbelievable that a few people are actually arguing that fast passes are 'unfair' on the 'poor' people who can only afford a regular ticket. Hahahahahaha.

[theodorakisses]

TSC may have an extreme view and I am sure would hate and want to murder me in RL but I don't think she deserves quite such vitriol. I especially agree that since the BBfuckingshittoC started making programmes where houses became "properties", nobody is expected to just buy an affodable home to live in anymore. You can't just buy a place and leave the bathroom and kitchen, it all has to be ripped out. Most of the people on those programmes are perfectly stupid and I hate them.

[janey68]

Really really dude? ROFL

[janey68]

Theodora- the property porn programmes are pretty ridiculous I agree, and fly totally in the face of the idea of just buying a home to live in. But to extrapolate from that, that fast track passes are unfair is quite simply one of the nuttier things on mumsnet

[Growlithe]

What happened here? I only went to the library and it's descended into this?

[theodorakisses]

Oh yes, completely nuts. Not arguing with that, especially the David Cameron bit. Sixth form level. Funny but a bit sad as well that MNers seem to hate anyone who isn't really, really poor and a staunch socialist.
I am a capitalist through and through, should find a different website really but the people are not as bonkers, kind and supportive elsewhere.