to think that regardless of "rights", it's fucking obnoxious to choose a seat next to a pram and then light up

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Sitting outside cafe with DS sleeping in pushchair. Couple come and sit in the next table (not any of the other further away tables which are equally convenient), and start smoking, puffing smoke over sleeping baby (until I moved him).

They've now fucked off, w/o having bought anything (thus confirming my opinion of them as complete dicks), but having leisurely finished their cigarettes.

Was I BU to give them a dirty look? And to be pretty fucked off at how fucking inconsiderate smokers behave as if all outside spaces belong to them? (Yes, there are considerate smokers who would never dream of doing this. Thank you.)

I mean who the fuck lights up next to a baby?

When I smoked, eons ago, I always smoked away from children and if walking near children flipped the cigarette around in my hand so the lit end was pointing towards me.

YADNBU scratty twats.

Teenagetantrums are you aware of issues of secondary smoke? or are you being deliberately obtuse in name of smokers rights?

YANBU. I hate the fact that in this beautiful weather you can't enjoy a meal or drink al fresco without someone blowing stinking cigarette smoke all over the place.
Yes, I know they're 'entitled' to, but it doesn't make it any less annoying.

Yanbu

My best friend is an ex smoker but she always made sure she was as far away from anyone else eating or drinking. We had to sit outside coz of the dog.

Teenagetantrums - really? You don't think cigarette smoke is harmful to children? In spite of the wealth of evidence and huge public awareness campaigns?

YANBU. Even if cigarette smoke was entirely safe (which it obviously isn't) it absolutely stinks. Smokers just have no idea how much they utterly reek - their breath, their clothes, their hair, the stale fetid cloud that follows them around.

no i didn't say it wasn't harmful, but if im sitting in london surrounded by traffic and having a fag i resent parents telling me not to smoke when they are parking their kids at exhaust level, there are loads of cafes near where i live that have no smoking outside so take your baby there i will smoke where i can

Yanbu. The smoking ban is great and I'm amazed it actually happened but its killed sitting outside anywhere for me. I fully support banning it in outdoor public places altogether.

If you feel that strongly about smoking in public maybe you should sign the below petition. I am constantly hearing non-smokers moaning about this, so not sure why so few have signed the petition:

Ban smoking in public

28 signatures!? Right I've signed it.

I'm a smoker, I don't smoke next to or near children, I'm as considerate as I can be, but I'm likely to bite back if I find the non smoker being a jumped up bellshine. It's not illegal, and I enjoy smoking.

I really think smokers are often in denial about how their smoke affects others.
I am one of those annoying ex smokers who harrumphs at a smoke any where near (the same postcode as) my DCs.
When I smoked I actually believed it couldn't be detected on me after a tic tac and a spritz of rive gauche

Trouble is, if smoking outdoors in public places was banned, some of the people addicted to smoking would be likely to think, to hell with it, may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb and start lighting up indoors again. Or more inside their houses to the detriment of their own kids rather than outside a pub or wherever.

Oh, no, please don't try to ban smoking outside, I don't smoke in my house because of blowing it over my children, in parks because of blowing it over other peoples children or near cafes because its rude when people are eating but I do like to smoke in the beer garden from time to time (not near children or people I know don't smoke) and when I'm waiting for the bus (away from the shelter so as not to annoy other people who are also waiting).