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To feel absolutely exhausted by my friend?

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SelectAUserName · 19/07/2013 17:00

I have a friend who is a genuinely nice person but she is exhausting to spend time with. She has chronically low self-esteem and is the sort of person who can only make a decision after she has run it past everyone she knows. I don't see as much of her IRL as we live further apart now so a lot of our friendship is conducted via phone, email or Facebook. I feel as though I come away from every interaction drained with my head spinning!

To give a current example: she has been invited to a hen party/day. The hen is mainly a friend of her DP but my friend does know her and has done for several years, likewise some of the other women going. The plan is a spa day for the females in the party then an evening meal/drinks with the stag and his mates. My friend can't decide whether to go to the day time spa thing or not. Without going into loads of detail that might out her, she has come up with a list of - IMO - perfectly valid reasons not to go. Her DP is disappointed that she doesn't want to go for the whole day and has offered to pay for her (one of her reasons for not going is the expense; she could afford it in the sense of it wouldn't leave her struggling to pay the bills/buy food but there are other things she would rather spend the money on, which again is fair enough). He's not controlling, but he is concerned that she is becoming a bit of a hermit, again linked to her self-esteem, and doesn't want her to just dismiss the idea out of hand because it is new/scary/different, which is what she tends to do. Equally, she has the perfect right to say "no, I don't fancy it".

We had a loooong FB message session last night (nearly as long as this post Wink ) in which, because her DP has made an offer which negates one of her reasons not to go, she started to doubt all her other reasons. I reassured her that her views were still perfectly valid, which led to her saying "but why would he think like that then?" I did suggest she ask him why it's important to him that she goes, and I made a few suggestions as to reasons I could think of, knowing him a little as I do. Every idea I put forward was met with "But..." So I reiterated again she would have to ask him herself. Eventually I had to pretend I'd had a pizza delivered as an excuse to end the 'conversation'.

Today I had a text from her saying that the person organised has suggested the others all chip in to pay for the bride. She's quite taken aback by this; I replied saying this was normal IME and gave an example of paying for the "guest of honour" at a birthday meal I'd been to. Her response was "wow, I must be really crap because no-one outside family has ever offered to pay for me". I replied pointing out that a) just because she hasn't encountered something that is normal procedure to others, it doesn't automatically make her crap and b) by her own admission she never goes out with anyone other than family so she won't have experienced it!

I've now had to put my phone away for a bit because I am already feeling that sinking feeling at the thought of having to prop her up and reassure her again. That sounds awful, doesn't it? Sad

I stress again that she is lovely, kind-hearted etc and this isn't done in an overtly self-pitying way or fishing for compliments, it's just as if she gets so sucked inside her own head and hung up on her own thoughts and is constantly looking for validation that what she is thinking is 'normal' (whatever 'normal means) or for advice on what she should do, which she then usually ends up arguing back against whatever I advise.

I'm not even sure what I'm asking here, I think I just needed to let it out. I'm drained because of her, and feeling guilty for feeling that way. She is such a sweet person but so needy. Am I a bitch for feeling so exhausted by our friendship? (Possibly not as exhausted as anyone who reads to the end of this tome Blush )

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KatyTheCleaningLady · 19/07/2013 17:04

YANBU. She sounds like hard work.

CylonNumber6 · 19/07/2013 17:04

I have a friend like this. It's exhausting.

On one hand I feel sorry for her and on the other I want to shake her and tell her to get some professional help for her low self-esteem.

The thing is, she won't be told. So what can I do?

To preserve my sanity I have to limit contact, which continues the viscious cycle.

I really wish I had the answer to this OP. I feel your pain.

mrspaddy · 19/07/2013 17:08

Ah no.. you are not a bitch at all. I think though it shows you need a good balance of friendships as you can only help/advise her to an extent. I don't know what can really help her but I do no leisure time is precious and needs to be enjoyable for you too so that at other times you can be a giving friend.
I have a very close friend that I distance myself from due to negative comments/ ooh you have it easier than me type of thing. I do meet up with her but have made sure it is at theatre's/cinema etc on weeks where I am just not in form for it.

I can't really advise but she is lucky to have such a caring boyfriend and you. Hope someone can help.

thelma3333 · 19/07/2013 17:18

wow ! how old is she OP ? (which decade?)

i was in a similar situation re: hen do. I was expected to pay £100 just to attend hen do of DH's friends GF, and buy her a gift and pay for her night out, along with all other guests. I was also told that we have to wear a dress. I don't do dresses so meant buying a dress. I did think it was cheeky to ask for us to buy a gift and pay for her night out.

So without consulting anyone, I politely declined. In all other hen do's i've been to (including my own hen do) there was no expectation to pay for the bride to be or buy a gift. Surely gifts are for the wedding.

However, your friend does sound like hard work, and maybe you shouls avoid her for a while. She needs to learn to stand her ground and be confident in decision making processes. Although i appreciate that does not come naturally to everyone.

SelectAUserName · 19/07/2013 17:20

Thanks all, and sorry to those of you who have to juggle friendships with 'recovery periods' too!

thelma she is in her early 30s, about a decade or so younger than me.

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WeleaseWodger · 19/07/2013 17:28

She obviously thinks you stating your opinion is the starting point of the discussion and you think it's the ending point. Since this is done mostly via internet, there's a couple of simple ways you can steer this.

1/ don't answer immediately. give your opinion, and state clearly why... when she replies BUT>>>>>. .... you reply "back in sec" etc and give it 5 min. In those 5 minutes she will have time to do a lot of the back/forth either in writing or in her head without your participation.

2/ when you resume, ignore all the stuff she's written and change the subject.

3/ if that doesn't work, write.... sorry, I gave you my opinion, I'm not sure what else to say on it. Maybe ask X or Y what they think.

4/ repeat.

I think your friend thinks you a willing participant in these discussions where you examine things to minutae and can't see your facial expressions and eye rolls.

thelma3333 · 19/07/2013 17:28

You and i are in the same decade then Smile

Maybe she's just alot less mature than you (bound to be wearing).

love the phrase 'recovery period'. Might start using that with my BF. I have quite a few friends from which i require 'recovery periods', for other reasons.

Don't feel guilty. Better than too much exposure and showing that you are irritated.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty · 19/07/2013 17:29

can you find the words to tell her kindly that she needs to get out of her head a bit?

gnittinggnome · 19/07/2013 20:25

I had a friend like this - perpetually overweight and miserable about it, huge debts but spending lots of money "on treats" and so on. If she would just get to the gym a bit more (always had good results for the occasional fortnight when she'd try) and not buy new tailored clothes, or get blind drunk, shag a random guy and then be upset when he wasn't a perfect romantic match, half her problems would vanish, but she refused point blank to address any of the underlying causes of her "insurmountable issues". I haven't spoken to her since she refused last minute to actually come to my wedding (she was the Maid of Honour) and my DH has firmly supported me cutting her out.

If you don't want to cut her out of your life, you can either a) be a nice supportive friend but don't commit so much energy to reassuring her, eg answer the question once, explain yourself once, and then don't keep on coaxing her or b) throw yourself wholeheartedly into helping her out by stealth, and try to bring her out of herself. It sounds like she has far too much time on her hands for maudlin introspection, so join a dance class, or a language class, or a pottery class, or anything to give her another outlet for her energy, and make it sound like she's doing you a favour by coming along. Support all efforts she makes in that venture, and hope and pray that something else coaxes her out of her determined misery.

Good luck!

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