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AIBU?

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to think that 20 grand on benefits a year is loads

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MrsBucketxx · 19/07/2013 08:36

considering they dont pay any income tax.

just watching we pay your benefits program and worked out that this is over 30 grand if it was a normal tax paying salary.

why was this not mentioned.

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filee777 · 19/07/2013 10:30

Oh yes everyone else should fund you degree stormy

Why don't you pay off your student loan like everyone else?

Goodness sake! The level of entitlement is just ludicrous.

No wonder the country is going to hell in a hand basket!

IneedAyoniNickname · 19/07/2013 10:30

It's something I'm thinking of looking into JADS
Part of me thinks its not fair, afterall I've used the goods the debts are for, and they should be paid for.
But otoh im just fed up with struggling all the time.

JADS · 19/07/2013 10:31

The NHS trust where I work has a jobs freeze at the moment Filee, so there are no extra jobs for dr, nurses, physios etc.

filee777 · 19/07/2013 10:31

Pensions have been cut, the retirement age has been raised
What more do you people want?

Pensioners (should) have paid into the system for many years, it's vastly different to a culture of never paying in.

I do think people should be encouraged to find their own pensions though.

StormyBrid · 19/07/2013 10:32

Who said anything about entitlement? All I'm pointing out is that training to be a doctor, a social worker, something useful, costs money. Money that unemployed or badly paid people don't have.

gordyslovesheep · 19/07/2013 10:33

oh Filee777 you are confusing me - I thought university was free - or at least cheap as chips - so surely the tax payer could pay - I mean think of all the lovely unemployed teachers, social workers, child and family workers, careers advisers, nurses and doctors you would end up with

PeggyCarter · 19/07/2013 10:34

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gordyslovesheep · 19/07/2013 10:34

yes I work in education and children's services - we have had a staff freeze for 8 years and a pay freeze for 6 - it's ace

filee777 · 19/07/2013 10:39

Our doctors and nurses have almost completely been supplied by immigration (thank goodness) for many years because Britons are simply not prepared to train!

I said nothing about university being free.

I have not been 'poisoned' by the media, it's just common sense that there are two many people, too much outlay and the country is screwed! Looking for solutions to that is vital, rather than just throwing your hands in the air
and shouting 'oh it's all SO unfair' at every change.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/07/2013 10:39

Filee - sorry but you are speaking in utter (wrong) cliches.

filee777 · 19/07/2013 10:39

Too many people not two! Sorry

Off to work now.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/07/2013 10:40

ie "No wonder the country is going to hell in a hand basket!"

gordyslovesheep · 19/07/2013 10:42

Our doctors and nurses have almost completely been supplied by immigration (thank goodness) for many years because Britons are simply not prepared to train! can you provide a link to this factoid ...

2.6% of the TOTAL welfare budget - did you miss this actual fact?

also if you want all these unemployed people to be doctors then 'we' have to pay for their training - you can't have it both ways - i mean will all the money being pumped into the NHS by this government there are bound to be loads of jobs ...

grumpyinthemorning · 19/07/2013 10:42

Filee, it's been pointed out that living costs still apply when studying, and student loans won't cover that. Plus childcare while you study, because you can't take a child to lectures or exams. Besides, when you're already struggling it's nigh on impossible to find the extra money to retrain or get more qualifications. Personally I think all education should be free, or at least heavily subsidised, but I don't run the country.

StormyBrid · 19/07/2013 10:44

Not sure how you can say Britons aren't prepared to train when there's one right here saying she'd love to but can't afford it.

filee777 · 19/07/2013 10:44

2.6% is unemployment benefits, it casually misses the tax credits bill, which is not only massive it's also derogatory to a healthy economy, inflates the cost of living and makes everyone reliant on the state.

FasterStronger · 19/07/2013 10:46

exactly filee777

filee777 · 19/07/2013 10:46

There should definitely be more help for students to train in necessary jobs, I have already said that. It's a culture change not a person change, I don't blame anyone for claiming benefits/tax credits, it's what you do to survive and support your family. What we have to do is look at ways of improving the situation and that needs to come from the top down not the bottom up.

gordyslovesheep · 19/07/2013 10:48

Tax credits allow people to work and pay tax - so you would remove them and create more unemployment...are you George Osborn ????

what inflates the cost of living is utilities companies wanting to make big profits , high taxes on food, clothes and petrol ...stuff like that but if MP's NEED a 9% pay rise and £15 a day food allowance surely the rest of us need a basic standard of living

IneedAyoniNickname · 19/07/2013 10:49

I've just spent a year at college doing an access to nursing course. The majority of my classmates were British.
Sadly I didn't get into uni this year,.but will re apply.

spacegoat · 19/07/2013 10:49

filee777 my media graduate dh pays enough tax to pay the benefits of several families! He wouldn't want to be a social worker , doesn't pay enough! In fact I'm struggling to think of any of my arts and media trained friends who would swap their jobs for the high stress not very highly rewarded jobs you suggest!

Pensioners today, paid in, and paid for the pensioners of their youth. The money they paid in isn't in a special account for them you know. You are paying for them, as will your children, and probably theirs. There are twice as many pensioners as young people. It's causing many problems and there isn't an easy fix.

I can see that you are angry about the benefits system. How would you change it? Public sector jobs gave been slashed. There's no money. NHS is being slowly dismantled. Gove is destroying the education system. House prices are rising again.

IneedAsockamnesty · 19/07/2013 10:53

May I be excused whilst I go and bang my head against a wall before returning to drivel on about passported benefits and ones impact on another?

StormyBrid · 19/07/2013 10:53

So there should be more support for students, but I have a distasteful sense of entitlement for bemoaning the current lack of support?

I guess I'm too stupid to train to be a doctor, because I just can't see how that works.

gordyslovesheep · 19/07/2013 10:54

grumpyinthemorning · 19/07/2013 11:06

Oh dear, entitlement.

The only thing we are entitled to is a decent standard of living. When we cannot provide this, the state gives us a hand. That is what the benefits system was designed to do. And even then, it is not always a decent living.

As for the culture aspect, I think growing up with barely a pot to piss in spurs you to give your own children a better life. I can only speak from my own experience, but I'm determined to do the best I can for my son. That meant claiming benefits. There's no shame in it, it was simple reality.

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