To think this calls for a celebration!? - Same-sex marriage to become law by next week!

[ANormalOne]

Linky

I'm actually crying I'm so happy right now!

This calls for a large class of to celebrate!

[Dahlen]

I'll give you my reasons why I'm pro.

Marriage is significant for the relationship between men and women. Quite aside from the less-definable aspects of love and commitment, it affords hard legal advantages, such as claims on property and pensions.

The only way you would be able to deny that those rights should be afforded to same sex couples is if you believe that same sex couples are less valid than heterosexual ones.

That's called bigotry.

HTH.

[brilliantwhite]

cant see why people are being called trolls , why shouldnt they have an opinion, just because it differs from yours , you let your self down big time the moment you start name calling .

[Lj8893]

Because they haven't actually backed up thier opinion in any way!

And like someone else said, the poster only joined this evening and it seems thier posts are already goady.

Why would you join a forum and one of your first posts be something that is clearly going to goad other posters?

[Lj8893]

I have asked for my troll comment to be removed as I agree I shouldn't have posted it.

I still would like the poster to back her opinion up with something though.

[brilliantwhite]

they have said their opinion why should they back it up , how do we know they havent name changed, it sounded like a strong opinion , just because it differs from yours does not make it goady .

[RockChicken1]

I understand there are people who disagree with same sex marriage, they have every right to do so. What I don't understand is the leap from disagreeing with it to believing that no one should be able to marry someone of the same sex. If you don't support equal marriage then don't marry someone of the same sex and turn invitations to same sex weddings, don't try and stand in the way of two people who love each other doing something that everyone should be able to do.

[oreocookiez]

It is great news x

[Lj8893]

It is goading because it is posted in a thread full of people who are quite clearly going to take offence to it.

If the poster had said something along the lines of "I know I'm going to get a flaming but I don't agree with it because of x,y,z" and had a reasoning to thier opinion, then perhaps it wouldn't be percieved as goady.

But saying its "Wrong, wrong, wrong" and "I don't care if that makes me a bigot" is going to get people's backs up.

[brilliantwhite]

i get fed up with these threads where everyone starts picking on the first person who doesnt agree with everyone, they dont have to have a reason to back things up ,they have said their opinion and left it at that ,asking them the reasons is more goady to me .

[Tapirbackrider]

Come on Golliath - if you have legitimate reasons for being against equal marriage, then air them here. We would like to know what they are and how they were formed.

I am for equal marriage, because that is what it is - equal rights for all adult humans under the law, regardless of gender, colour or orientation.

People do not get to choose their sexual orientation, it's a part of who they are, just like their eye colour, so why on earth should we discriminate because of who they love?

Makes no sense at all.

[Tapirbackrider]

I totally disagree with you there Brilliantwhite

This is a thread discussing equal marriage on a discussion board - people are posting their opinions and backing them up with the reasons why; Golliath is clearly goading with her/his initial post, why shouldn't we ask the reasons behind her/his thinking?

[Dahlen]

Thing is, you are not really entitled to an 'opinion' if it flies in the face of the laws of the land.

People can believe what they want. We don't have thought police in this country, which is a good thing. However, as soon as you start voicing those thoughts, you have crossed a line.

Try replacing gay with black and seeing how it sounds when you say "gay marriage is wrong". Ugly isn't it.

Just because something goes against cultural norms doesn't mean it's wrong any more than it means the prevailing cultural norms are right.

[Lj8893]

I can understand why you think that brilliant. But I wasent jumping on the poster because they had a different opinion. I asked at first for reasons for the opinion out of interest, for a discussion perhaps and because Its interesting to hear people's views and why they have those views.

The fact the poster wouldn't give reasons and instantly started on the defensive, made me instantly find the posts goady and attacking.

[Lj8893]

If golliaths posts have intelligent and informed views like others on this thread (I'm not including mine, I'm far to tired and hot to be intelligent right now) than maybe I could take her opinion more seriously.

[ljny]

Ignore the bigots. They're on the losing side of history

So happy to see justice & equality win.



And congrats to all those with impending nuptials.

[Golliath]

I see why you may have thought this goady with the opening of "I know im going to get a flaming" As you have pointed out I joined tonight and did not realise this was a bad opening line. I just wanted to state my thoughts on the subject and did not want to give more explicit reasons for my thoughts. I did not realise that to write on this post you had to be in the pat on the back brigade. You mention equality, then that entiltles me to have an opinion even if it differs from yours. It seems 1 or 2 on here like to consider themselves self appointed moderators.

[brilliantwhite]

not everyone has posted their reasons why they are glad , just saying great or cheers is not a reason , just seems everyone is trying to goad someone who is against the grain here then try and flame them , and what has replacing gay with black got to do with anything odd thing to say .

[Lj8893]

If you had read my posts that wasent the reason I took your posts as being goady at all.

You don't need to be part of the "pat on the back brigade" at all, many regular posters will disagree with one another on one thread and then agree with another on a different subject on another thread. However they usually have a well informed and not offensive debate whatever their opinion.

Your opinion or not, bigotry is always going to be offensive, in real life and on forums like mumsnet.

[Tapirbackrider]

Not an odd thing at all, considering that at one point inter-racial marriage was not only frowned upon, but illegal in some countries.
Can you not see the similarities between the two? Both banned because of something totally outwith their control (skin colour/sexuality). It really is bigotry, just poorly disguised.

[fatlazymummy]

Fantastic news. It feels good to be British at this moment.
Congratulations to all those posters who are now free to marry the person they love.

[Lj8893]

Thankyou for explaining.

Can I ask what how you would feel if your son or daughter was gay? And was to get married?

[Golliath]

Thing is, you are not really entitled to an 'opinion' if it flies in the face of the laws of the land.

Thing is you are entitled to an opinion no matter what the law says, you are not breaking the law to have an opinion on a disscussion forum. This is a free country and as you know from your fight for "equality" so you can speak your mind. It is different to target or intimidate someone.

[Lj8893]

I don't intend to goad by that question, am just genuinely interested.