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To feel sad to see 5 year old girl in hijab

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INeedSomeSun · 02/07/2013 09:44

Probably will get flamed for this & iabu as its not my business.
I am not racist in any way. I am Asian myself and have many Muslim friends.

Growing up, I never saw any muslim girls with hijabs. This is a trend which has been growing since the late 90s.

I know that the meaning behind the hijab is to protect modesty and show committment to Islam. It is supposed to be the girls/womans decision after much thought and dedication.

At 5 years old they are still getting changed in the classroom for PE and she won't be able to do this now with boys around. How will she play and do PE freely? She has been singled out by the views of her parents.
Also, she will barely know what religion means, so she has not made an informed decision for herself.

Normally she is chasing about with my DS and other kids before school.Today she was just stood there, perhaps embarrassed or told not to?
I felt very sad

OP posts:
fuzzywuzzy · 02/07/2013 20:44

Crumbled I am angry at your attitude that Muslim women should have less rights than you do and forced to remove headscarves because you dont like them.

thebody · 02/07/2013 20:45

Mejypoo,,, this thread is 12 pages long and had been going all day.

I disagree with some posters but would never resort to the 'oh you must be from the EDL or read the daily mail' because I am interested in everyone's views.

Both crumbled, tango and fuzzy and many posters make fantastic points and we have all disagreed and agreed on some points.

READ THE WHOLE THREAD and don't be silly.

Boomba · 02/07/2013 20:45

because of your moving rhetoric about global responsibility and sisterhood walnut

fuzzywuzzy · 02/07/2013 20:47

Lurcher thats your friends own personal choice, ask ehr why she doesn't wear hiijab

Crumbledwalnuts · 02/07/2013 20:48

Fuzzy: there are plenty of Muslim women who don't cover.

Why would Muslim women have less rights than me? I can't wear a mask if I work in a public service job. We would just have the same rights.

Crumbledwalnuts · 02/07/2013 20:49

Boomba: do you think "outsiders" from a community are the best people to talk about and promote human rights within that community? Or do you think members of the community are best placed to do that?

Theas18 · 02/07/2013 20:50

many hijab wearing girls of all ages locally. get to know a few before you worry too much about them. many go to normal schools and play/ do pe eff perfectly normally.

even when dd1 was at secondary her hijab wearing mates were very " on off" about it ( girls school, some male teachers) they were off for pe definitely. some girls wore then at religious festivals etc and pine wire it when she was in trouble at home lol ( again! )

Sallyingforth · 02/07/2013 20:51

fuzzy
"It's the word of God".
But it was translated by men was it not?

mejypoo · 02/07/2013 20:52

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fuzzywuzzy · 02/07/2013 20:52

Crumbled I'm talking of the choice to wear headscarves, and you could wlak down the street in a face mask, I dont tihnk any Muslim woman in a niqab has ever wanted ot hold down a public service job and if she did and was refused on grounds of her face being covered thats compeltely correct given its a requirement for everyone wnating that job.

Your attitude that Muslim women should not be allowed to wear headscarves is what I find abhorrent and demeaning and oppressive, why should I not be allowed ot wear a headscarf when that would be exclusively aimed at muslim women when all other women and men can wear what they want on their heads?

fuzzywuzzy · 02/07/2013 20:54

Sally its the word of God which was relayed to a man, he did not translate it as it was relayed in a language that is still in use today.

You can say you don't believe it is the word of God, but I am not expecting you to believe what I believe.

crescentmoon · 02/07/2013 20:56

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thebody · 02/07/2013 20:56

All religions are mysoginistic and exert fear and control.

All religions have a male hierarchy.

All religions act to suppress free thought and speech.

Thankfully me and dds don't have to live and dress as some man seems fit.

Crumbledwalnuts · 02/07/2013 20:57

Well that's what I said. Covering should be banned in primary schools and public service jobs. We agree?

"Your attitude that Muslim women should not be allowed to wear headscarves is what I find abhorrent and demeaning and oppressive"

Well lucky you, you can stop upsetting yourself because I haven't said that. I think women who have a choice shouldn't cover - I'm not so bothered about a headscarf, though I don't really like it, but the full covering, the veil, the gloves. I think women should think about making a different choice.

"I dont tihnk any Muslim woman in a niqab has ever wanted ot hold down a public service job"

Why do you say this?

mejypoo · 02/07/2013 20:57

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Crumbledwalnuts · 02/07/2013 20:58

Do you mean me? Am I mathanxiety? no I'm me. Are you asking me if I'm someone else?

dontgowadingin · 02/07/2013 20:58

Yet another example why I hate religion with a passion!

Religion is man made, to rule and control man.

Crumbledwalnuts · 02/07/2013 20:59

I know not all are. I'm saying those who have a choice should think about those who don't, in the interests of human empathy and human rights. I think a stand should be taken against the oppression it represents.

Crumbledwalnuts · 02/07/2013 21:00

I thought the rest of your post was thoughtprovoking crescentmoon.

fuzzywuzzy · 02/07/2013 21:00

Crumbled, do you personally know of a muslim woman who tried to hold down a public service job whilst wearing a face veil?

Crumbledwalnuts · 02/07/2013 21:01

No. Can I ask you why you think a woman wearing full face covering would not want such a job?

suburbophobe · 02/07/2013 21:01

application of sunscreen is contributing to vitamin d deficiency also

I just read about this - the higher the factor (which we have been told is better) actually blocks Vit D being absorbed.

I have also read about lack of Vit D in women who cover up their bodies completely.

My nutrionist at the time (other health problem) told me it only takes 20 minutes a day in the sun to top it up.

And biological coconut oil is a pure natural sun screen, I am going to test it if we get any summer Smile

fuzzywuzzy · 02/07/2013 21:02

Fighting for women to have a right to education and work and drive in places like Afghanistan etc would be far better than me not wearing a headscarf in England.

MorrisZapp · 02/07/2013 21:02

I don't want to stop adults wearing whatever they like, it has no impact on me.

But I'm a thinking, questioning type. And I really want to know why god wants women to be demure, modest, domestic, whatever, in most organised religions.

And why god doesn't ask the same of men. My granny was a hardcore Aberdonian Protestant who wouldn't allow my dad to listen to rock and roll music. She was hideously sexist, appallingly so. I questioned, questioned and questioned her beliefs. I'm not picking on Islam.

fuzzywuzzy · 02/07/2013 21:03

Same reason why you wouldnt expect to have a public service job and wear a face mask.

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