to not understand appeal of Caitlin Moran writing for The Times?

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She always has at least a couple of articles in The Times on Saturday, including her TV reviews, and seems to be heavily promoted there at the moment.

But I often find her writing cringeworthy e.g. this Saturday TV reviewing The White Queen headlines "She Makes Ingrid Bergman look like Someone Stuck Tits on a Turnip". Last Saturday, reviewing exactly the same programme (did anyone at The Times notice ?) the review headlined Battles, Castles and Tons of Fruity Historical Humping. Is she just being crass/offensive for the sake of it? And I find so much of her writing self-adulating plus impossible to make any sense of, a jumble of thoughtless sentences stuck together ... almost like a teenager on speed.

It seems a shame when The Times on Saturday has some enjoyable journalism e.g. the often brilliant Janice Turner, Matthew Paris, Giles Coran, plus some great review stuff of the Arts.

My heart just sinks when I see her bylines and picture. AIBU ?

It is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition. That's not to say it doesn't help though.

Just realised I've made exactly the same point as you in different words Trills .

I do think he is talented, but I avoid his columns now as there's a certain smuggery that makes me want to throw things at his head.

I was agreeing with you in different words, should have started it with I agree with Gainsborough :)

I don't think the Times gives someone a job just because their dad worked there. They give them a job because their dad worked there AND they're talented.. Yes, agree, it's just a shame that there are so many talented writers out there who don't get the same chances as media offspring to get established.

I like her. She has/is a brand (like all journalists), and her style will not be to everyone's taste but she is a feminist writing from the heart of the establishment and we need many more of those. She did not get there through family/social connections which is impressive as most journalists got in that way. She also stays in touch with pop culture and is mouthy and is at the same time (gasp!) ... a mother and (gasp!) ...not fifteen any more. So? That makes her more important IMO. Why should she, or any of us, stop being interested in what we like because we are mothers or 'too old' or whatever? I'm glad she's around, calling out bullshit when she sees it and bringing feminist thinking to a new, younger audience.

Love her to bits and would marry her tomorrow. The only problem is that the present MrsSon might not like it.

I can see the appeal. She's behind a paywall so I can't stumble upon her tripe accidentally.

Marmalade SH had a pop at me because I made a comment about 'go back to reviewing make up' and stop supporting your friend's (IK) rude and discriminating comments about the mentally ill and she called me sexist???? What exactly was sexist about my comment I do not know....

I remember that mignonette; it made me laugh a lot!

I wonder if she considers her area of "expertise" (make-up) sexist?

I remember the sexist remark It made me chuckle.

And the gasps of racism when someone lightly mocked the spelling of her name.

Methinks that someone has been shielded from too many real-world problems...

I just closed that bathroom link and I noticed there was no facility to leave comments.

Wise, very wise.

You know why that is, don't you, limited?

Who ARE these lot ingratiated with, that no-one is allowed to slag them off, on the interwebs? I bet IK is sucking off Google.

I like her writing. Her piece on library closures was one of the best pieces of writing I've ever read in a newspaper. Loved 'poor cardiganless Rihanna' too.

And I admire her for achieving what she has through sheer ability.

My mum always bangs on about her but I read an article she thought I would like and it was crap I didn't.

More people should start their posts that way, Trills ...

Marmalade, thanks for the link to the smug-fest in CM's bathroom with SH, other people have been able to explain what I found so irritating about it when I watched it the first time!

I quite like SH sometimes and do look at her website now and then but the 'In The Bathroom with......' clips really are a load of guff, if quite satisfying in a nosey bugger sort of way. The one that really wound me up was Brix Smith-Start, who must have had several thousand pounds worth of face products in two huge bathroom cabinets, and said that she has Botox regularly, but went on and on about how fabulous she feels at 50 and how much she loves getting older Obviously not that much, eh? I speak as a make-up lover and someone who does take good care of their skin but jesus, please be consistent about it!

SH, CM, IK etc really do behave like the school bullies sometimes i.e. 15 year olds not grown women who are all approaching 40.

Her bathroom isn't as wacky as one would have hoped, to be honest.

I was at least hoping for an ironic crinoline-frocked lady bog-roll cover.

Ah, Giles Coren can be very funny at times, I don't mind him at all. Though I seem to like him less the more I see/read of Esther Walker.

Oh yeah, the talented Mrs Coren. It won't be long before we see their baby's fingerpaintings in the Times magazine.

I know that Giles Coren is by any normal measure a wanker.

But I'd do him until he cried.

I can't help it.

Aghghghgh, LadyClarice you have GOT to be kidding, he's so gross and smug, I could not bring myself to touch him with gloves on.

And YY to his rolling out of family guff now he has kids....

LadyClarice, I would too I used to have all the Supersizers kept on the +player. The 70s one, with the natty 'tache, almost did for me.

I would do him too. One of the super Sizer episodes was filmed in our friend's house-I only found out well after the event