Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

with my all encompassing hatred of learning log/creative learning type homework?

28 replies

MummaEss · 21/06/2013 18:40

I could rant wildly about this subject forever but will try and keep to the point. My daughters school has a weekly 'learning log' as homework. The book will contain some vague and subjective notion about what the homework should be and the children are encouraged to present it in a creative way, using art, photographs, models, home video, powerpoint presentations or whatever they like. A recent example being "We have been learning about fractions in class, creatively show what you have learned". Sounds lovely and I understand that it gives each child the scope to complete the same homework task within their own ability level.

The problem for me begins in the fact that myself and my girls are not naturally creative people. We are rather boring actually and although we are imaginative enough we would all rather get lost in a good book or film than do arty stuff and as a result we have little arty crafty materials in the house. We complete the homework, always being sure to have fulfilled the task set out and almost every week get comments like "you could have been more creative with your presentation", "You could have used more colour in your diagrams". We do try and vary our ideas and push our very limited creative boundaries and yet every single week my daughters homework is found wanting, despite being factually correct, just because it is not presented through the medium of dance or something.

To be honest I find that the tasks tend to be a bit of a waste of time because they are never the type of thing that will actually re-enforce what they have done at school, and they rarely involve researching or learning anything new. I never learned anything about subtraction by making a poster about it. I just hate hate hate the whole concept of it and find it so hard not to let on to my DD about what a load of old shit I think it is. Anyone else??????

OP posts:
AnythingNotEverything · 21/06/2013 18:44

I hated doing learning logs! I'm averagely creative, but DS didn't get any of that from me. Some weeks it was like pulling teeth.

But, it was nice at the end of the year to look back at the different things we'd done.

I'm torn! I hated it at the time, but it's lovely to look back on.

aldiwhore · 21/06/2013 18:47

Do a simple poster showing a pie chart, the segments relating to how much effort you put into homework, family fun, housework, other commitments, time wasted on pie chart etc.,

It fulfils the brief.

abitlikemollflanders · 21/06/2013 18:50

Teachers will never ever be able to win with homework. For every parent in a class who wants less another will want more. For every parent who hates worksheets and loves creative homework another feels the opposite.

YANBU but do understand that not every parent in the class will feel as you do so I suppose that at least by the teacher making the task fairly open ended you can put as much/little into it as you like.

I wouldn't take the comments personally, it sounds as if she is trying to widen your daughter's presentation skills-an area you yourself think is weak-I don't see anything wrong with that.

5madthings · 21/06/2013 18:50

I like it as it means they can do as much or as little as they like depending on how interesting they find it. They just have to do one a week.

Apileofballyhoo · 21/06/2013 18:54

I completely sympathise.

HalfBakedAlaska · 21/06/2013 19:15

I'd bear in mind that teachers are often obliged to put a target on homework. So, even if your daughter has done something brilliantly, the teacher is obliged to make some spurious comment for improvement. Sad but true.

cherrypez · 21/06/2013 22:42

Halfbaked, you're absolutely right, I'm in secondary and we have to, according to school policy, give a target for every single piece of work, not just hw. For what it's worth, I HATE homework, both for my own kids and others, but that's a personal view and one my school doesn't share unfortunately!

SolidGoldBrass · 21/06/2013 22:44

What we hate in our house is 'Make a poster showing what you have learned.' FFS. DS dad is a graphic designer, so he always wants to help DS come up with a single striking graphic concept, which of course Won't Do...

WafflyVersatile · 21/06/2013 22:45

Next time send them to school with some dogshit rolled in glitter.

abitlikemollflanders · 21/06/2013 22:49

??

echt · 21/06/2013 22:51

Like your thinking, Waffly.:o

I teach in Australia, where we have not heard of this.

Triumphoveradversity · 21/06/2013 22:54

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Mumsyblouse · 21/06/2013 23:06

I find this a very lazy homework. If you are doing homework on fractions surely it is better to do a task that reinforces the learning, presenting fractions out of cut-out magazines and colouring it in nicely is entirely irrelevant, to my mind. Mathematics learning in the Uk is way behind other countries and really poor in lots of primaries, this smacks of a teacher who knows little about maths, partly because lots of primary teachers are humanities and social science graduates.

I'm not against design or creative tasks, as one of a set of skills developed. But this is just lazy 'do something creative with our learning goals of the week' homework setting and the big tick and smiley face (or comments on presentation) in the marking are entirely pointless.

Startail · 21/06/2013 23:13

YANBU
Thank God we don't have these, DD1 and me might be quite good at them, but DD2 would absolutely loath them.

Creative freaks her out, draw a daffodil reduced her to tears.
She'd far rather an English lesson than an art one.

She's can actually be very creative, but never to order and only very occasionally, when the ideas in her head come together first time. She's a perfectionist, she won't mess and try things.

Be creative about some random topic is her idea of hell. Therefore it would be hell for everyone else to.

Pickle131 · 22/06/2013 00:12

I can see the value in them, but it sounds like the message gets lost in translation from 'best practice' pedagogy (the study of teaching and learning) as it filters down to the classroom. What should be an opportunity to reflect on what was learned - both the lesson content and also the metalearning (learning about learning) element, ends up becoming a trip to Hobbycraft for parents.
Far better that the teacher gives credit for thoughtful reflection than for a beautifully illustrated regurgitation of facts learned. If that's not happening, question it. These were never meant to be about repeating facts.
If you want your kids to benefit from these pieces of homework ask them probing questions, challenge their assumptions, ask them 'so what?'
For example, rather than a beautiful Tudor family tree, include a reflection about learning too: "I learned to memorise a list of the kings and queens of England today. I learned that it's easier to remember facts about a person if you can understand what motivates them and try to empathise. I found role play helped this" and I'd like to do more of it."
Alternatively they are a chance to see if the child has understood a concept. Putting the key points of the water cycle into a poem would be a good example. If 'evaporation' was missing, the parent or teacher can spot this and get the child to think it through again. If nothing else, the homework should provide a talking point and opportunity for the learner to take on the role of teacher, which is when the real learning often takes place.

BlackeyedSusan · 22/06/2013 00:19

I was going to say that yabu... but given the negative coments of the teacher... Angry I am not surprised. craft stuff costs money, time and effort from the parents too.

Feenie · 22/06/2013 00:34

I find this a very lazy homework. If you are doing homework on fractions surely it is better to do a task that reinforces the learning, presenting fractions out of cut-out magazines and colouring it in nicely is entirely irrelevant, to my mind. Mathematics learning in the Uk is way behind other countries and really poor in lots of primaries, this smacks of a teacher who knows little about maths, partly because lots of primary teachers are humanities and social science graduates.

I can guarantee you that a fair amount of teachers will agree with you, and would much rather set a fractions task to re-enforce class learning (if we have to set it at all, but that's another debate).

But I think you will find that teachers have little choice but to adhere to school policy on homework.

Very little to do, therefore, with the degree garbage you have so airily spouted.

tumbletumble · 22/06/2013 09:06

Agree with BlackeyedSusan. The benefit of this type of homework, as you say in the OP, is that is it accessible to all children regardless of ability. Your DD should be allowed to complete it in a more "traditional" way and get credit for her approach.

5madthings · 22/06/2013 10:42

I have to say we are sometimes crafty but not really, i just let my boys get on with it. We will talk about the homework together but they do it and sometimes it is a 'list' of facts learned. Or they do illustrations as well etc. i notuce they normally get praised for one asoect of the homework and this bit 'could be better' or sometimes they just get a "well done this is great' and a housepoint.

Its only for primary school age kids isnt it? Ds1 in high school doesnt have 'learning logs' and nor does ds4 but he is only in reception and thankfully doesnt really get any homework. The middle two boys are in yr 3 and yr6 and as i said i find they work quite well. But i am the kind of parent who doesnt like homework for primary school children tbh and these can be done once a week and with as much or as little effort as necessary depending on how interesting it is etc.

shockers · 22/06/2013 11:00

Our class learning logs are set over 3-4 weeks and are usually on something other than what we have learnt in class. The children really enjoy it. This year we have had, 'A Person Who Inspires You', 'How Can Maths be Fun?' and 'How Can We Help the Rainforest?' Oddly, one of their favourites was the maths project! We use the games they made on wet playtimes now.

What is nice is that some of the children who don't do a lot of sport or clubs outside school really engage with the learning logs and enjoy great success and kudos through their creations.

FredFredGeorge · 22/06/2013 12:05

You write as if you're involved in doing the homework? So YABU for that, it's homework for the kid, not the family.

It does seem entirely odd homework, and entirely odd comments - entirely subjective design considerations, unless in a design subject is extremely odd. (It's pretty odd then too as comment, Ansel Adams's photos wouldn't've been better for more colour)

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 22/06/2013 12:10

FredFredGeorge

Yes, that's what I was going to say.

It has taken me a while to back off completely and not see Homework as anything much to do with me. Unless I'm asked for help/resources, or there's an exam coming up, I don't get involved

SoupDragon · 22/06/2013 12:14

You write as if you're involved in doing the homework? So YABU for that, it's homework for the kid, not the family.

Yes, I thought this to. It was all we do this, we do that...

Nerfmother · 22/06/2013 12:34

I hate the learning logs: at our school all the partners do them, you can tell so it just ups the ante again. Ds hates them- it's like pulling teeth. Nag nag nag for weeks til the deadline and then I Tell him what to look up and do. Waste of my time.

Nerfmother · 22/06/2013 12:35

Parents