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To not book reserved flight seats for us and the kids?

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LittlePudding1 · 18/06/2013 16:47

Hi, I have a 6 year old and a 3 year old and was under the impression that even if we weren't all sat together together on a plane they would sit me with 1dc and dh with the other but a couple of people have told me they can sit you anywhere. Surely they wouldn't sit a 3 year old away from a parent and next to a random stranger, would they?

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differentnameforthis · 19/06/2013 16:52

If your child is likely to wander around/throw up etc then you have a responsibility as a parent to ensure your seat is with theirs. And unfortunately if that means paying for it, then sobeit.

I have not refused to pay for a seat. I have refused to be conned into paying extra as my child sitting with me should be a given, not a luxury I should be conned in paying for.

differentnameforthis · 19/06/2013 16:54

False concern for my children?

What, buying them a seat rather than I dunno...sitting them on the wing!

theoriginalandbestrookie · 19/06/2013 16:59

Just checked the Ryanair charges. Priority boarding which pretty much guarantees you a seat together is £7 pp, reserved seating is £10 or £15 pp dependant on the route. For Easyjet it is from £3 per seat.

These don't seem huge charges when you factor in that if you book far enough in advance then you can get good deals on the flights.

I appreciate that people think they should automatically be seated with their young children from a safety perspective, and I'm sure where possible reputable airlines will try to facilitate that - Not Ryanair, with them I'm pretty sure you're on your own.

I'm with Ophelia275, I can't see why any responsible parent wouldn't rather pay the £7 or £3 pp rather than taking the chance. We had to fly Ryanair on our last shared family holiday, two families paid for priority boarding, one didn't, they were lucky enough to get seated all together, but why take that risk. The flights for a family of 4 cost around £1000, was it really worth the extra stress aggro to avoid paying an additional £28 each way.

LtEveDallas · 19/06/2013 17:00

i think it is really awful that if someone found themselves next to a distressed 2yo they would simply unclip their belt and put them in the aisle

Who said that NiceTabard, could you point it out please?

Bearbehind · 19/06/2013 17:09

Exactly! And people have dared to question my parenting because I refuse to be a sheep & pay extra for what is essentially a safety aspect on all flights!

But you can be enough of a sheep to book the bloody flights in the first place!

It is not a legal safety requirement and it is made perfectly clear that if you want this adding to your flight bill you can chose to do so.

If you believe so strongly it is a safety requirement why don't you fucking pay for it. Not all things that make things safer are free- cycle helmets for instance.

You do not deserve to have a seat where you want without paying just because you have a child- that is massively entitled and unacceptable.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 19/06/2013 17:12

Differentnameforthis - I did not say your child did not have a right to sit in a seat you have paid for. Nor did I suggest they should travel in the hold (though I suspect some parents would pay extra for that option).

You said that, if someone who had paid for allocated seating did not want to move from that seat so a parent could sit with their child, then they would have have a nightmare of a flight, dealing with that child screaming, vomiting, demanding help and entertainment. That smacks of blackmail to me. It is saying, "I haven't paid for allocated seating, but I expect you to give up the seat you have paid extra to have and if you don't, you will have a horrible flight".

I do get that this is a problem that has been created by the airlines. They could make things better by automatically offering to refund the extra fee people pay to allocate seats in advance, if a member of the party has to move to allow a parent to sit with a child. That would probably make people more willing to help.

Or they could open only a certain percentage of the seats on a flight for pre-allocation, then they could allow parents with children (or others with specific needs) onto the flight first, to get first pick of the non-allocated seating, followed by those with allocated seats, and then the rest. That, I think, would solve things - people could pay to pre-allocate their seats if they chose, and parents would have reasonable confidence that they'd get seats together if they chose not to pay extra.

But if a parent makes the decision not to pay extra to allocate seats, then they are gambling on either being lucky enough to find seats together or on the fact that someone else will move for them - but that is their choice and their gamble, and if it doesn't pay off, they can't blame anyone else for this - under the current booking rules, of course.

NiceTabard · 19/06/2013 17:13

Come off it eve you know fine well who said it.

As you can't edit MN I assume it is still there.

LtEveDallas · 19/06/2013 17:22

If you are talking about me NiceTabard, then considering I even quoted te post I was quite clearly talking about differentnames badly behaved 4 year old - the one that thinks its funny to climb all over people and kick chairs. Not a 'distressed 2 year old'. There are enough strawmen on this thread as it is.

A distressed 2 year old I would guide back to their mother and tell her that their child needed them, once the seatbelt sign was off of course.

2rebecca · 19/06/2013 17:26

It sounds as though it would be best for all if when booking flights for children the airline insisted you prebooked the seats and only allowed adults to sit wherever on the day, that way it is more obviously part of the package.
Ryan air's current system is mad as on the last flight with them i had prebooked a seat but found someone else sitting on it as there are always folk who start boarding before they should and there is nothing to show that certain seats are reserved. The easyjet system where everyone knows their seat number before boarding is more sensible, including seats in the basic fare and just paying extra for extra leg room is best, but you get what you pay for and if you CHOOSE to fly with an airline where you pay extra to get seats together then you have to pay extra if that's what you want.
People with kids aren't necessarily poorer than those without so why should they be exempt?

differentnameforthis · 19/06/2013 17:27

But you can be enough of a sheep to book the bloody flights in the first place!

Thankfully the airlines here all still understand that people shouldn't be charged extra to sit with their children, so no, I don't pay additional for that.

It isn't blackmail at all. I really don't see how you can think it is. My child would be sat in her seat. I wouldn't expect anyone to move. But that is her seat, she is entitled to sit in it. It would only be blackmail of I FORCED the person in the seat next to her to stay there, which of course, I do not have the power to do.

At least I know not to book easyjet ot Ryanair in the future.

LadyBryan · 19/06/2013 17:28

differentnameforthis

If you call being guaranteed a seat next to your seat "conned" then fair enough.

Yes, you have paid for your daughter to sit in A seat. Not a SPECIFIED seat. By not paying you are basically saying either those that have paid have to move / "hello Mrs Random, please do babysit my child for me"

The charges are not exorbitant. £10 per person. So you pay £20 for peace of mind and a GUARANTEE for sitting with your child who needs to sit with you (I note this need isn't enough to warrant £20.....)

CloudsAndTrees · 19/06/2013 17:28

I very much doubt that the vast majority of people who have been expected to babysit a two year old would actually remove their seatbelt and shove them into the aisle. Hmm

I would easily ignore someone else's two year old if they were seated next to me because their parents had turned down the option of seats together, in exactly the same way that anyone else in the vicinity would have to, but that doesn't mean I'd be horrible.

CloudsAndTrees · 19/06/2013 17:30

My child would be sat in her seat. I wouldn't expect anyone to move. But that is her seat, she is entitled to sit in it.

I don't think anyone has said any different have they? A well behaved 9yp should be no problem at all to six next to.

impecuniousmarmoset · 19/06/2013 17:30

Actually Eve you said 'your 2 year old would be lifted into the aisle and told to find his mother.' Not quite the same as 'guiding him back', is it!!

And the seatbelt sign takes a good 20 minutes to turn off. I'm not blackmailing, I'm merely stating a fact that by 20 minutes of acute distress at his volume, you'd probably be prepared to pay me to change seats:)

LadyBryan · 19/06/2013 17:31

My point completely CloudsAndTrees.

I would be giving my attention to my child. You know, whilst baa-ing at her that I've paid for the chance to sit next to her....

CelticPromise · 19/06/2013 17:31

Well I'm getting an education on this thread. I honestly thought that very few people would bother to pay for reserved seating, I skip over it in the same way as I skip the 'bargain' insurance or in flight meals. I rarely fly, and this hasn't been going long, and I don't think ( as I've said over and over again) that anyone should have to move to accommodate me. The airline should accommodate me or DH sitting with 3yo DS anywhere on the plane. Easyjet and others in fact do accommodate this as someone pointed out. Since it would take a dire emergency to get me to fly Ryanair I should think I'll be alright.

impecuniousmarmoset · 19/06/2013 17:32

'I would easily ignore someone else's two year old if they were seated next to me because their parents had turned down the option of seats together, in exactly the same way that anyone else in the vicinity would have to, but that doesn't mean I'd be horrible.'

My god, if you have a lone 2-year-old next to you, with all the distress and needs that that entails, then ignoring them is about as horrible as it gets!

CelticPromise · 19/06/2013 17:34

Oh and whoever mentioned planes are getting more like trains, you can reserve seats for free on a train, you don't pay for under 5s and you get discounted child fares. Much more civilised all round.

SoupDragon · 19/06/2013 17:35

I've searched but can't find anyone who said they would unclip a child's seatbelt and put them in the aisle.

TheYamiOfYawn · 19/06/2013 17:36

When I last flew, Ryanair charged £35 per person per flight, making a total additional cost of £280 to pay in order to dit together. That was far more than I could afford for a four day trip to Ireland for a family wedding. We just arrived quite early and did our best to be at the front of the queue for seats. There was plenty of space on the plane anyway.

SoupDragon · 19/06/2013 17:36

My god, if you have a lone 2-year-old next to you, with all the distress and needs that that entails, then ignoring them is about as horrible as it gets!

You clearly missed the bit where she said if they were seated next to me because their parents had turned down the option of seats together

differentnameforthis · 19/06/2013 17:37

4 year old would be lifted into the aisle and told to go and find her mother.

How is a 4yr old different to a 2yr old? You would have no right removing the seat bet of either & leaving them to wonder around on their own.

Regardless, my daughter (if you read my follow up posts) is nothing like that when we travel together. She was pretty bloody amazing on long haul flights recently. I cannot guarantee that if I can't sit with her, of course. It is up to the airline to make sure I am supervising my children, it isn't up to me to pay them extra to ensure it.

NiceTabard · 19/06/2013 17:38

You are supposed to keep your seatbelt on at all times during flights these days, unless you need to get up for the loo or something.

Undoing a 2yo seatbelt, putting it in the aisle and telling it to "find it's mother" is ridiculous. The child might be travelling with it's father or someone else, it is unlikely to know which way to go to find it's carer, it possibly won't be very good at speaking yet. Also they are not able to look around easily as they cannot see over the seats or even probably around people very well. Plus it is just dangerous to send a toddler off on a plane by itself - what if the seatbelt sign comes on? What if it can't find it's mum and decides to hide or goes and locks itself in the toilet or something?

Just really dangerous and callous.

NiceTabard · 19/06/2013 17:39

Here:

"It would still be you dealing with it wouldn't it! And you can tell my 2-year-old what you like, cos he won't really get what you're talking about

No it wouldn't. I wasn't actually talking to you, but your 2 year old would be lifted into the aisle and told to find his mother. "

differentnameforthis · 19/06/2013 17:39

I've searched but can't find anyone who said they would unclip a child's seatbelt and put them in the aisle.

I looked a little harder than you did...

LtEveDallas Wed 19-Jun-13 11:25:44

4 year old would be lifted into the aisle and told to go and find her mother

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