Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

AIBU to think friend was OTT

19 replies

whethergirl · 17/06/2013 00:12

A close df of mine went to see another, mutual and close df of ours recently. Mutual df has been having family problems; husband being a twat and tween dd being mean and she feels that sometimes they both gang up on her. She also has a younger dd. Mutual df was not herself, seemed quite broken, vulnerable and had low self esteem.

I felt that 1st friend, although had good intentions, was being too interfering. She first of all began lecturing the smaller dd, who was being a bit of a madam (but not excessively rude imo), on how she should have more respect. She had already lectured mutual df that she needs to put her foot down more, and specific steps she should take in order to rectify her relationship with her kids. This is very much df?s parenting style (strict/authoritarian) but as far as she is concerned it?s the right way/only way. Mutual friend, already feels like she is a ?shit mum? and I don?t think telling her where she is going wrong was particularly helpful, especially as I personally didn?t agree with all her advice.

Then we sat down to eat with rest of family. I just cringed at everything 1st df said at that dinner table. For example: We were talking about different food tastes and 1st df immediately tried to suggest that tween (who said she didn?t like her mum?s cooking but liked her dads) should then cook at least once a week (pinning her down to a day), and suggested that her dh should cook twice a week too. We talked about what tween dd wanted to do when she grew up, and 1st friend mentions something about how important it is to end up with a man who can bring at least an equal amount to the table, preferably more and how she still feels that men should look after women financially. I disagreed and so expressed my opinion on the matter. 1st Friend was not happy with being challenged and later spent an hour on the phone with me trying to convince me why she was right about this.

She made quite a few quips/comments/suggestions all aimed at mutual df?s dh and dd about how they need to step up. When they were out of the room, 1st df made a big hoo haa about how bad the situation was, which I didn?t feel was helpful for already overwhelmed df. Although I acknowledge there are problems, I feel there are also some ?normal? type family problems. I mentioned this to 1st friend afterwards, saying for example there is nothing so extraordinary/shocking about a tween not liking her mum?s cooking. She then immediately calls mutual friend, tells her I said this, and explains to mutual df that she can?t help but take her side because she cares about her so much (like I don?t? Hmm).

AIBU? I just don?t think you can walk into someone?s house, pretend to know their situation after an hours chat with one person from that family, and then set about trying to make actual changes! 1st friend is doing my head in, poking her nose in too far (instead of just supporting mutual df) and being quite controlling.

OP posts:
LemonPeculiarJones · 17/06/2013 00:20

She sounds an exhausting, controlling whirlwind of deluded self-righteousness.

Not the kind of support your other friend needs or, I'm sure, wants. It's patronising. The controlling friend is just becoming another person oppressing her.

Not sure how you should deal with it, other than ask your put-upon friend how she feels about it.

But YANBU.

SusuwatariToes · 17/06/2013 04:36

And your mutual friend and her husband just took it?

MammaTJ · 17/06/2013 04:42

Were everyone elses mouths superglued together?

Kiwiinkits · 17/06/2013 05:16

Funny how all of the advice given by df to mutual friend is exactly what would have been given on MN.
Absolutely fine to say it on the internet...but in a real life situation, noooooooo! keep it to yourself at all costs. Just be 'supportive'.

Not sure where I stand on this, OP. I think you could have probably joked a bit and laughed it off at the dinner. "Oh df, I'm sure mutual friend can figure all that out! Leave her alone you interfering moo! Ha ha ha"

Fakebook · 17/06/2013 07:02

Yanbu. Why didnt anyone tell her to shut up?

diddl · 17/06/2013 07:09

Well I agree with what she said to the "tween" about the cooking.

Other stuff just sounds like conversation to me.

DeWe · 17/06/2013 10:21

Maybe you could suggests she applies to be the next "supernanny"?

AllDirections · 17/06/2013 12:56

She does sound a bit OTT but it sounds like she was trying to help. Now if she can just come to my house and arrange what days my teen DDs will cook and do other chores I'll be very grateful. My younger DD could also do with a lecture Grin

Crinkle77 · 17/06/2013 13:11

YANBU. She sounds so overbearing. It's none of her business and I am surprised they managed to keep their mouths shut.

whethergirl · 17/06/2013 21:48

1st DF does have a heart of gold and good intentions, and can also be very strong and a great support in a crisis. But yes, I would have to say she is so overbearing. She is very convincing in the way she speaks, and mutual df - who normally has a strong mind of her own - seemed so vulnerable and easily influenced.

Mutual df sat in silence the whole time. I couldn't work out if it was because she was exhausted, tipsy (both true) or just had nothing to say or was uncomfortable. Mutual df's dh tried to joke a few of the comments off but in a kind of defensive way.

LemonPeculiarJones I totally agree with everything you say in your post.

I have known both dfs for 20 years. 1st DF is more like a cousin to me. But I know if I broach her on this subject, she will totally do my head in. She'll go from spending hours on the phone to me explaining her POV, to calling mutual df and apologising profusely (whilst getting all deep about it). She won't let it go and would likely bring it up in the future (eg. "oh well I wanted to help but didn't want to stick my foot in it because I remembered what you said" etc). I don't think mutual DF really needs that right now (and nor do I)!

I am speaking with mutual df tomorrow, so don't want to get into it (as we are speaking about her family problems) but will perhaps mention that I didn't particularly agree with everything 1st friend said or did.

Kiwiinkits I see what you're saying but I do think getting advice on the internet and the situation I described with RL friends are completely different.

diddl - even though mutual df said nothing the whole time? Surely whether tween cooks or not is a family matter.

OP posts:
diddl · 18/06/2013 07:39

Well if she'd already moaned to you & then tween is discussing in front of you, it's no longer a family matter, is it?

ImTooHecsyForYourParty · 18/06/2013 08:03

Was she asked for her opinion?

That's the thing. (in real life and on here!)

If they asked for her help and her view on their life then she did nothing wrong in giving it, even if it wasn't what they wanted to hear.

If, otoh, nobody asked her her opinion and she just took it upon herself to set their world to rights (in her view), then someone should have told her to shut the hell up.

MayTheOddsBeEverInYourFavour · 18/06/2013 08:17

YANBU

I'm surprised your friend and her DH took it, there is no way anyone would get away with that in my house. The DH would have been well within his rights to tell her to fuck off if she was being so disrespectful in his own house

I don't think there's a lot you can do other than support your mutual friend and tell her you don't agree with what happened

whethergirl · 18/06/2013 10:04

Mutual friend had confided in us both, as friends, when the rest of the family were not there. Even then, she was off loading, not "what shall I do about this situation".

Situation at dinner table was some time later, when we'd gone to her house to eat. We literally came in, sat down at the table (we had a take away), said hello to the dh and tween, and 1st friend started on tween (who she hasn't seen in about a year, due to distance) about how much her mum loves her - leading on to her drawing up a verbal cooking rota for the entire family.

MayTheOdds the look on her dh's face said it all, I would not have been surprised if he told her to fuck off.

OP posts:
CrapBag · 18/06/2013 10:52

Maybe you need to tell your friend to back off and that your mutual friend was offloading, not asking for her to swoop in and take over the running of her life, and whilst she means well, her way of doing things is not necessarily other peoples way of doing things.

Oh and that you would also appreciate it if she didn't run off and phone your mutual friend about an innocuous comment that you made about the cooking thing.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty · 18/06/2013 12:27

Then your other friend overstepped and needed telling to shut up.

There is a huge difference between confiding something because you want a shoulder to lean on and asking someone to help you sort out your problems.

Sometimes though, someone asks for the first and the other person mistakes it for the second!

whethergirl · 18/06/2013 14:28

I spoke to mutual friend today who was in a much better state of mind. Mutual friend tends to live very much day by day and doesn't dwell on the past like i do. I told her that I just wanted to know that I did not agree with a lot of what 1st friend said or did and she agreed that 1st friend was OTT. She managed to laugh it off a little with "oh well that's what she's like isn't it" but did say her dh had a big rant about it after we had left about her behaviour.

I'm not going out of my way to bring it up with 1st friend, but if the topic of conversation comes up then will be honest about how I feel.

OP posts:
whethergirl · 18/06/2013 14:46

Oh and mutual friend told me it was a bit bizarre as her dh is really good at helping out with the cooking so they coudn't understand why 1st friend had made such an issue about it!

OP posts:
diddl · 18/06/2013 14:57

Lesson learnt for that friend-be careful who she moans to!

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread