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AIBU?

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To have not stopped for these school children?

45 replies

spg1983 · 14/06/2013 14:35

What a day I'm having - this is my second AIBU today!

Just got back from taking dd swimming. It is in a leisure centre pool on a quiet street with a small infant school nearby. There's a 20mph limit with speed bumps and a crossing a few metres away from the school and leisure centre, but if you're coming from the leisure centre then you probably have to walk 30secs past the school to use the crossing, then kind of go back on yourself if you see what I mean?

As we were leaving, 2 teachers (or a teacher and a TA, not sure) were leading approx 20 pupils back from the leisure centre where they'd obviously been swimming. They were well-behaved and walking in pairs. They all stopped at the speed bump which is between the leisure centre and the school, just as I was approaching it in my car. I'd only just pulled away so was going loads less than 20 and just as I was driving over the bump I heard the teacher shout "whoa, stop, everyone!" This was ridiculous as the children were immaculately behaved and weren't attempting to go anywhere. She then carried on with "That's a dangerous driver. She wasn't using her eyes and ears like we do." I guess they'd been learning how to cross safely.

Anyway, I got annoyed and stopped the car as soon as I could. There were no other cars anywhere, either moving or parked so it was obviously me she meant. I said to the teacher that they weren't at the crossing therefore I wasn't sure if they wanted to cross or not, and that as a teacher myself (at a school with speed bumps outside!) I'd seen loads of near misses caused by children deciding to assume the speed bumps were official crossing points and that pedestrians had priority. The children were not going anywhere so it was not dangerous for me to drive past them but I made the point that if they were learning about road safety, surely they should use crossings where possible? The teacher said it was to get them back quicker and therefore have more time in the pool, and wouldn't I want my child to have that benefit? I replied "not if it means encouraging her to disregard road safety guidelines, I'd rather have her safe than get an extra minute or two in the pool." The teacher tutted and told me I obviously didn't understand how school trips work (I regularly organise residential trips for 50 pupils both in the UK and abroad and have led groups of 80+ around London in rush hour) and then led the pupils away.

AIBU to have challenged her? Just couldn't stand the passive-aggressive comment and then the assumption that I didn't know how to cross a road with children - grrr! Just hate the idea of these children crossing that (or any other, busier) road on their own in the future and getting into an accident.

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spg1983 · 14/06/2013 15:23

And I probably wouldn't have said anything with children there, maybe a call to the school office for it to be passed on for consideration. I know it sounds like I'm a real busybody but I'd hate to think of a child getting hurt :(

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Wibblypiglikesbananas · 14/06/2013 15:24

I think the teacher was in the wrong. Don't know if I'd have stopped to challenge her myself, but good on you for sticking up for yourself.

If you wanted to take it further, contact the head teacher. My main concern in all of this would be the children who are being taught not to use crossings when they are there. Very odd!

SauvignonBlanche · 14/06/2013 15:28

I think you should let the Head know.

needaholidaynow · 14/06/2013 15:29

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tharsheblows · 14/06/2013 15:36

Was it in the City of London? If so, it could have been my child's school and I would really appreciate it if you rang the head and let her know. I'd be extremely annoyed at teachers telling the kids it's ok not to cross at zebra crossings, especially when one is in sight.

Eyesunderarock · 14/06/2013 15:38

blueemerald, I was reading your comment
'I'm a student teacher and call me OTT but I wouldn't allow my secondary aged pupils to cross the road without a crossing. '

You didn't mention that they had additional needs.
I was just thinking of the restrictions that you were placing on yourself and the children if you would never allow them to cross the road without a crossing.
Sometimes even reception have to do that. Not in this specific case, but you made a very sweeping statement that made me smile.

MrsRhysMeyers · 14/06/2013 15:40

YANBU. I think the teacher was extremely rude and passive aggressive. It's wise not to do things like that, especially in front of children; for all she knows you could be a psychotic axe murderer that would have jumped out of the car and harmed her!

spg1983 · 14/06/2013 15:46

thar no not London, somewhere much more rural but close enough to the city centre for children from the catchment area of this school to encounter busy roads on a regular basis.

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ivykaty44 · 14/06/2013 15:46

As a parent I would not be happy with a teacher not using a crossing that was there just meters away.

At the secondary my dd attend the there is a teacher after school at the crossing to make sure the pupils get across and actually use the crossing, to encourage this practice for their own safety on a busy road where there is a crossing put there for them to use.

PicturesofParadise · 14/06/2013 15:52

yanbu, if the crossing was no distance away then of course she should have used that, that is what crossings are for fgs.
Talk about teaching the children the very opposite of the green cross code, stupid.

spg1983 · 14/06/2013 15:56

Wow ivy I think we need to do that! The situation at our school is better now although it took the ankle incident for the majority of kids to wise up and be safer. I was in a car behind the accident and saw it happen and was the only adult he knew on the scene so felt compelled to stay, ring his mum, ambulance etc and wait for them to get there. It was an open fracture so pretty grim and of course there were loads of hysterical kids about. Luckily DH was in the car too and is a teacher at the school so was able to keep the other kids back and create a kind of barricade/diversion in the road as we couldn't move him. I just remember sitting with him in the middle of the road at 8mths pg, freezing cos he was wearing my coat(!) and feeling so sorry for the lad but also I couldn't help thinking how avoidable the whole situation was.

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spg1983 · 14/06/2013 15:58

Oops, meant DH is also a teacher at the school, I wasn't just some random adult who sat in the road with a schoolchild, I did teach him! Blush

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diddl · 14/06/2013 15:58

I'd complain about her.

Not using the crossing-lazy cow.

ChunkyPickle · 14/06/2013 16:11

I think YANBU, and actually it was very good of you to stop and have a word, and it would be good if you could mention to the school that this is happening.

I'm endlessly grateful (and always thank) to the kids around here who notice my toddler and stand next to me and DS at the crossing to wait for the green man rather than gallop across when it's clear (unlike the adults who are much worse behaved). Little ones need to learn the rules before they can break them, and the adults around should be facilitating that.

Crinkle77 · 14/06/2013 16:13

If she wanted to prove a point about road safety why didn't she use the crossing? Surely she should be encouraging children to use a crossing if there is one near by.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 14/06/2013 16:14

YANBU

As long as you didn't create a big hoo-ha in front of the children (it sounds like you didn't), then you were right to get her to think about where she is teaching the children to cross.

Her PA comment was officious and unecessary

tharsheblows · 14/06/2013 16:53

Oh good, thanks for letting me know. :) I think you were very much in the right. I hope she'll use the crossing next time!

Ilovesunflowers · 14/06/2013 17:18

Goodness me. What on earth were you thinking. This teacher was with her children. Would you like to be challenged by a complete stranger while in charge of 20 kids. You were very unreasonable.

Mia4 · 14/06/2013 17:25

YANBU, the amount of people who think speed bumps are corssings and just stroll straight accross is bloody rdiculous. My house is on a road with such bumps and right by a school, the amount of adults who just stride accross in front of cars is staggering, let alone those with their kids who do and teach them bad haits.

The council got many, many complaints about it and put in a zebra but since it's not in the right place for 'everyone', many still just stroll across the bumps instead.

She shouldn't have commented, she was in the wrong and setting them up into bad habits and possibly leading to an accident of their own if they act as the people waling down my road do.

Maybe you should include this...

This (below) is a speed bump zebra crossing, not the 'zebra' on it:

www.abv.org.uk/files/crossing-mockup-2008.jpg

This (below) is not a crossing and teaching children that it is is irresponsible and partly on your head if they take the lesson and end up knocked down.

www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/content/images/2008/10/29/speed_bump203_203x152.jpg

Mia4 · 14/06/2013 17:25

*note not not

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