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To not tell BIL that he smells

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NoisesOff · 11/06/2013 08:01

My BIL stinks. I have always found this really difficult to be around, and dread him coming to stay. He doesn't really wash his clothes and always wears the same fleece, and I'm not convinced he washes himself much.

He comes from a family (ie my husband's family) where things are just never ever talked about. The whole family just colludes in shutting off from facing anything awkward and instead gets on with discussing trains.

I think my BIL has undiagnosed Aspergers. He really struggles to function as an adult in the world, doesn't have any friends, has never had a partner, is unable or unwilling to read social cues, has narrow near-obsessive interests in trains, can't tolerate new situations etc.

BIL and FIL are staying with us now for a couple of days. (MIL died a few years ago). FIL approached me and started talking about his son's smell. I was amazed! He said he was sick of it and sick of pleading with him to address it. My husband has confronted him too, and I know my MIL used to confront him regularly when she was alive, all to no avail. FIL wants me to speak to BIL as I'm an outsider and he might listen to me. He says he's desperate. Husband later collared me and said don't do it, because BIL once took an overdose as a teenager.

I haven't done it (yet). I'm not sure what to do. In an ideal world, I think BIL would have some professional intervention and support re Aspergers, because he's clearly not happy and can't really manage to function as an independent adult, even though he's 40. But one thing I do know is that there's NO WAY he would engage with any professionals. He'd be too terrified. Just trust me on this. I honestly think his only wish is to be left alone to think about trains, which would be fine if it weren't for the fact that his problems (eg financial, self-care) DO impact on others.

So now I'm not sure what to do. The smell is part of a bigger picture, and there's no way BIL will cope with the bigger picture being addressed.

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OHforDUCKScake · 11/06/2013 08:05

I can guarantee it will not work. He isnt doing it out of bloody mindedness or even laziness Id have thought.

He needs to be approached differently if he has SN, Im afraid I have no idea what way that is. This is something I am learning slowly. But one thing is for sure is that for a person with SN to process information you need to get that information to them in a completely different way.

Id go to the SN forum on here.

cornypedicure · 11/06/2013 08:11

What a difficult situation.

If he does have ASD then not wanting to wash is not uncommon and can be a part of the condition caused by sensory processing difficulties. Has FIL read about sensory processing disorder? It may help if he can understand why ds dislikes washing.

Your FIL is very wrong to ask you to tackle this for him IMHO and I think your dh may be right in that it has the potential to upset BIL if handled badly.

yaimee · 11/06/2013 08:13

I'm not sure you speaking to him about the smell would work, he knows about it, other people have addressed it with him.
If you hadn't mentioned financial problems then I would say just leave him to it if he is happy.
Could he be persuaded to have contact with agencies such as CAB or debt advice charities to sort his finances out?

ClaimedByMe · 11/06/2013 08:23

I get the feeling FIL is maybe not coping as well as he did when MIL was alive, this could be his cry for help, I think you need to try and get some outside agencies involved, I'm not clued up on what would be best.

What will happen to bil when FIL passes?

NoisesOff · 11/06/2013 08:33

Can I just say a massive thanks for your responses so far. It's really helping me crystallise things in my mind. Got to dash now but will check back later.

ClaimedByMe, I dread the answer to that very question...

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Jan49 · 11/06/2013 08:41

It sounds like your DH and his father ought to seek help for BIL. I don't think you should say anything to BIL about the smell. It won't make any difference. He's not going to suddenly start washing because one person tells him to. In fact, I'm sure strangers will have sometimes told him to, unless he never leaves the house. He doesn't respond to social situations the way most people do. TBH I'm surprised your FIL has suggested it as he should really already be aware that BIL doesn't have the social skills to be embarrassed or influenced by other people thinking he needs to wash. Perhaps it's a cry for help from FIL as Claimed says.

Perhaps it could start with your DH or FIL seeing BIL's doctor and asking for help, maybe adult services. If FIL is old, they should be discussing the future and what will happen if FIL is no longer able to help. I'm guessing that BIL will just want to be left alone in the house to live as he pleases and I don't know how the professionals deal with that. But the fact that he comes with FIL and stays at yours might be a positive sign that at least he's willing to be away from home and stay somewhere else.

mrsjay · 11/06/2013 08:43

can you talk to him about being unclean is bad for his health say something about germs on his skin or something I know it seems extreme but it may jolt him to wash does fil wash his clothes does he still live at home, TBH if he has any special needs people may have to just tell him to put his dirty fleece in the washing and jump in the shower now and again instead of waiting for him to do it. it must be difficult for you all if he has undiagnosed special needs then obviously his mother was coping with them and perhaps burying her head a little bit

DeepRedBetty · 11/06/2013 08:51

I think you should repost in SN board. I agree it sounds like undiagnosed Aspergers and I suspect your MIL was doing far more to help than anyone realised, now she's gone the shit's hitting the fan. Although I know a bit about support for children with ASD, I know nothing about adult provision, but I'm sure the good people in SN will be able to give you some pointers. Best wishes DRB

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