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AIBU to be stunned at sense of entitlement

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AudrinaAdare · 06/06/2013 09:03

My mother has dementia. After several falls at home, a broken limb and six weeks in hospital I have found a lovely care home where she is safe and happy. She is a constant wanderer and it really was too much for my Dad, or any one person.

Last night he rang up raging because he had received a bill for her care which is basically my Mum's state pension. It's a contribution only, as the actual costs are around £400. He is already very resentful that her attendance allowance was stopped and that his income was too high for him to receive carers allowance. I have told him that for some people, that £59.75 per week is their only income, perhaps he would like to swap but...

Basically, he wants her pension to sit in the bank building up while the state pays for Mum's food, shelter, heating, lighting, care, cleaning and cooking. It isn't even his money, yet he's talking about, "I'm forking out for..."

This is because my Mum earned that money and he should get to keep it all.

I have tried to explain that N.I contributions pay for NHS use amongst other things and was told, "but we paid for all our prescriptions as working people"

He has two additional private pensions of his own. Before my mum was hospitalised, there was enough coming in that her pension could remain in the bank untouched. Surely that should tell him that he isn't poor?

But now he has decided that he is "just going to claim benefits like everyone else then"

I'm not sure which ones he thinks he will be able to get Grin and he was and is a benefit basher of the worst kind!

How can someone come to be in their seventies and have no idea how things like this work?

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NeoMaxiZoomDweebie · 06/06/2013 09:22

Did you discuss it all with him before you found the lovely care home?

AudrinaAdare · 06/06/2013 09:26

Christ, yes, and the social worker also highly recommended that she not return home. She was in a terrible state. Anaemic, dehydrated, high blood sugar etc... he was basically keeping her knocked out on diazepam.

It wasn't really my decision, I just found the best one. It's local to the whole family and rated more highly than the three that social services offered. One of them had an accessible huge wooden staircase Shock

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AudrinaAdare · 06/06/2013 09:29

Oh I see, the financial side, yes. It was also explained by the social worker. Mum had financial capability assessments done but I wasn't party to their exact finances as he wanted that to be private. Fair enough.

He is now saying that he will bring her home and have carers in three times a day because that will be free. They were doing that before she was broke her arm and it wasn't working.

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CinnabarRed · 06/06/2013 09:32

can you actually stop him doing that? the 3 times a day carers, i mean.

thebody · 06/06/2013 09:37

Was he a loving husband when she was well? If not then I guess this is expected.

If he was and this is a character change then do you think he is actually grieving for her loss( sorry to put it like that but dementure is like the death of the person they once were) and he is lashing out at you.?

AudrinaAdare · 06/06/2013 09:39

I don't know Sad

My Mum isn't "here" any more but I want her around for a long time to come. She is so fast - like an out of control car. It would take him turning his back for a second and she'd be down the stairs again with more than a broken arm.

He didn't have time to cook, to wash clothes (or bodies) or to shop. She wanders at night too. One day he will be so exhausted she'll come to harm.

But he is her next of kin.

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hackmum · 06/06/2013 09:40

YANBU. We are incredibly lucky in this country to have a welfare state that cares for old people. My MiL, in her 80s, pays a contribution to social services for her care, but really they do an amazing amount for her. Your dad should try living in a country where the old and the sick have to fend for themselves or rely on the help of family.

A neighbour was moaning the other day about the amount of council tax she had to pay and that the council didn't even get round to cutting the grass verges. What does it all go on, she said. Well, the police, the schools, the libraries, social services, the roads...

AudrinaAdare · 06/06/2013 09:41

thebody he was exceptionally loving and still is although when she was at home he got very frustrated and angry. It's nice now. He visits for five hours a day and makes sure she eats. He is rested. She deserves to be cared for by younger, strong and rested people I think.

He was always very controlling though. I feel awful for thinking it but it's almost like he wants her at home (she doesn't recognise her surroundings) like his little doll Confused

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DilemmaTime · 06/06/2013 09:45

It must be a very difficult time for him, having to 'let go', having her leave their family home forever. Maybe this is just his way of lashing out :(

FryOneFatManic · 06/06/2013 09:45

Now she's in a home, I don't think your dad would be able to remove from there. The home could just let the social workers know she's been removed.

The social workers know from the assessment that having your mum at home wasn't working. I really doubt they'd let her go home now.

AudrinaAdare · 06/06/2013 09:49

That's reassuring. I feel terribly guilty about it too, thanks MNers.

I offer every six months to go through the finances and help him pare things down / renegotiate utility companies and contracts, but he has always refused.

He still has Sky multi-room from when my sister and I were at home twenty years ago. It isn't used! Not sure how he's going to manage that on JSA or whatever he wants to claim.

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cantspel · 06/06/2013 09:53

He didn't qualify for carers allowance not because his income was too high but because he would have already been in receipt of his state pension.

Unless he was younger than your mum and still working.

Laquila · 06/06/2013 09:54

I think all you can rally do is continue to try and patiently explain the situation and be there to support him if needed. It may be that he calms down after an initial period of raging, and comes to realise that it isn't practical, or in anyone's best interests, to bring your mum home again.

You sound like a very caring and conscientious daughter :)

thebody · 06/06/2013 09:54

Op your dad sounds exactly like mine.

Its extremely difficult to deal with a controlling parent as they resent the fact that you have 'interfered' and solutioned 'his' problem. He feels out of control and is lashing out at you.

The money is a blind as he can't really explain his feelings of loss of control or loss of his wife.

My advice is to deflect all of his anger and discontent into the social worker. It's her job and she can use her professional judgment to act in your moms best interests I.e stay in the home.

Visit your mom, listen and sympathise with his rants and ensure the social worker knows the full story.

If he tried to remove her he could be arrested.

Deflect deflect.

AudrinaAdare · 06/06/2013 09:59

You're right, canspel, that's what I meant.

DH and I have had to give up our respective careers due to having one DC who is disabled and another with a serious medical condition. We have no hope of private pensions or a mortgage despite having degrees.

My Dad can't see how lucky he was. East End evacuee, one of seven children, no qualifications, still writes in block capitals with no full stops yet he blagged his way to being a white-collar higher-rate tax payer. He benefited from property prices and the housing ladder and then spunked it all on an equity release because he doesn't understand compound interest.

But he is doing okay. More than okay compared to people who actually have to live on their state pension. More than okay compared to his children and grandchildren. Why the huge resentment?

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AudrinaAdare · 06/06/2013 10:01

x-posts, lovely ones and great advice Thanks

Sorry that you have been in this situation too thebody.

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Cherriesarelovely · 06/06/2013 10:01

OP, I am having a very tough time organising care for my mil who has dementia having looked after her for 5 years myself. I feel constant guilt at having had to hand over her care to others but just could not cope any longer. I think guilt comes with the territory. You also have your dad to think of too and in some ways that is harder.

I agree with others that so many of these strong feelings come from the person (either the cared for or in your dad's case the carer) not feeling in control. It is an impossible situation though. You had to step in and do something but now you are punished for doing so. I totally understand your feelings of frustration and upset. Well done for finding your mum somewhere caring and safe to live. I think your dad will have to get used to the situation.....I don't mean that in a horrible way.

Best of luck x

Cherriesarelovely · 06/06/2013 10:03

the body....that is very good advice and possibly the only way forward. It's not an easy situation for any of us.

AutumnMadness · 06/06/2013 10:05

Audrina, I don't think you are unreasonable at all. I actually think that you've done the best thing and that it is very lucky that you found a good care home and that your mum is happy. Caring for people with dementia is a demanding and expensive job. A state pension does not sound like a high price to me, especially considering that it definitely does not cover the actual costs. Your mum's pension is her money, to be spent on her life. Good luck to you, I know how hard this all must be.

cantspel · 06/06/2013 10:06

It probably has very little to do with the money and more about his sense of loss of control and your mum as the wife he had.

Cut him some slack even if you have to grit your teeth through most of it.

AudrinaAdare · 06/06/2013 10:12

This isn't a very good AIBU Grin but then again I suppose IABU to not look beyond the money and entitlement. I never expected disability to come into my life either but I am in my early forties so it's easier for me.

He expected a long, healthy and comfortable retirement in their forever home with his beloved wife. They worked hard, were lucky, took care of themselves and never had never had any major obstacles thrown in their path. I need to be more patient.

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Nokidshere · 06/06/2013 10:22

"It probably has very little to do with the money and more about his sense of loss of control and your mum as the wife he had."

I absolutely agree with this.

My MIL lives next door to us. She is 93 now and still very able but becoming more and more cantankerous. I know its only because she feels she is losing control over her life as she needs more and more to be done for her.

Dont argue, make soothing noises where appropriate and let him rant.

AudrinaAdare · 06/06/2013 10:28

Thanks to Cherries and best of luck to you too.

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thebody · 06/06/2013 11:26

Good luck op, keep posting if you need a rant.

daftdame · 06/06/2013 11:45

I agree with the other posters as I feel it is not only about the money but loss of control as well.

The finances could be just one part of this 'loss of control' feeling. As far as your Dad sees it he has paid taxes and NI and thinks your Mum's care, which is medical (Dementia is a medical condition) that is needed should be free, as people were promised in the early days of the Welfare State. This, to him, will seem unjust. If it is not free he probably is questioning how necessary is it? (no-matter that it is in today's climate)

What you are getting from him is probably a rant, lashing out at all this, as well as coping with his wife, your Mum having to move out, which must have turned his world upside down. In a way the lashing out probably betrays how difficult he has found this, and how much he loves your Mum. It must have been difficult living with your Mum with the Dementia, yet when she is away, he wants her back home.

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