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nononsensemumof2 · 18/05/2013 15:48

Morrisons, Siansburys, Co-Op and M&S have joined Tesco in allowing GMO fed chickens on their shelves.! This is the tip of the ice burg.!
There is an International protest against GMO on 25th May, I urge you all to organise to join in, if you value choice about what you eat, because if GMO is allowed into our food chain, we will have let the genie out of the bottle, forever.!
Cross contamination and patented law suits will be the order of the day, if we allow Monsanto to get a foot hold on our food supply.
Not only is this vile virus a health hazard to humans, but it is destroying our environment too, re bees, etc.
Plus it is attempting to own Mother Nature via its patented seeds, thereby selling us dangerous produce with a corporate stamp.!
We must all wake up to this onslaught against nature and our right to chose. Please get out in force and demand an end to this profit lead evil against nature now.

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claig · 18/05/2013 18:51

'BTW you just admitted you're a sock. Did you realise that?'

No Confused because I am not a sock.

Takver · 18/05/2013 18:51

nextphase, I think that is one particular criticism of the Roundup ready crops: that the advantage is in allowing heavier herbicide use - which clearly benefits the company, in that they market the herbicide & the seeds together as a package.

Forgive me, but I'm not sure why that would lead to closer planting of the crop, on the whole all farmers would aim for a clean crop, whether achieved via herbicides or other means (cultivation, stale seed bed etc).

Groovee · 18/05/2013 18:52

Well I am still none the wiser. But I already have plans for Saturday the 25th and I don't do protests!

claig · 18/05/2013 18:53

"The DM didn't do the research though so find a more respectable source."

I have already linked to the BBC and the research as well as criticisms of it in a scientific journal. Keep up.

The reason the Mail article is interesting is because it shows how important that research was since it influenced Russia to act.

Takver · 18/05/2013 18:57

The main problem I have with the protest is that I'm not clear exactly what they are calling for. (Not drawing my information from this thread, but from publicity elsewhere.)

I don't like Monsanto's business model in any way, but I don't see how a march is going to affect them. I'd see a boycott (admittedly tricky), political pressure to maintain limits on GM (ongoing AFAIK) or publicity encouraging farmers to look elsewhere for their seeds as more useful.

Throughgrittedteeth · 18/05/2013 18:59

Claig do you write for the DM? irrelevant

EndoplasmicReticulum · 18/05/2013 19:02

"I like facts."

In that case, can I point you to some Daily Mail articles.

Oh that has cheered me up no end!

Because the Daily Mail are known for their balanced and informed science reporting.

Tee2072 · 18/05/2013 19:03

Takver is roundup a brand name? As in the same people who make weed killer for home use?

claig · 18/05/2013 19:04

Maybe this is what nononsensemumof2, whose moniker cpuld not have been more apt, was on about

"A virus gene that could be poisonous to humans has been missed when GM food crops have been assessed for safety.

GM crops such as corn and soya, which are being grown around the world for both human and farm animal consumption, include the gene."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2266143/Uncovered-toxic-gene-hiding-GM-crops-Revelation-throws-new-doubt-safety-foods.html

ClayDavis · 18/05/2013 19:04

I think the problem is that the people protesting aren't sure what they're protesting for so it's impossible for them to make it clear. Take the OP as an example. If she'd shown she understood what she was talking about and had presented a well reasoned argument about why she believes what she does this thread would probably have gone very differently.

Takver · 18/05/2013 19:06

Yes, Roundup is a brand name for Glyphosate. Apologies, I tend to use the two interchangeably. Roundup Ready soy = glyphosate tolerant.

claig · 18/05/2013 19:06

"Claig do you write for the DM? irrelevant"

Sadly not. Only the best are chosen. The hurdle is high and the honour is higher.

nextphase · 18/05/2013 19:07

Yep, round up is the brand name of Monsantos glyphosate weed killer.
If you don't need to mechanically remove the weeds between the rows, you can plant a denser crop and still be sure your going to have a clean crop, to use your words.

Takver · 18/05/2013 19:09

I think on the whole, they're protesting against, rather than for, if that makes sense, Clay. I think it always makes more sense to be really specific, though.

ClayDavis · 18/05/2013 19:10

"Claig do you write for the DM? irrelevant"

Sadly not. Only the best are chosen. The hurdle is high and the honour is higher.

Takver · 18/05/2013 19:10

I've not seen any evidence of heavier yield from round up ready seed, though (not saying it isn't out there, but not aware of it myself)

Throughgrittedteeth · 18/05/2013 19:10

Oh so you're a groupie. Noted.

ProphetOfDoom · 18/05/2013 19:11

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HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 18/05/2013 19:11

But seedless grapes are genetically modified and we've all been eating them for years. Same with "sweetcorn" - genetically modified to be sweeter and juicier. Both delicious.

claig · 18/05/2013 19:12

'Oh so you're a groupie'

I am a student of the Mail, if that is what you mean.

Throughgrittedteeth · 18/05/2013 19:13

Eurgh seeded grapes Hmm oh and seeded citrus fruit

EndoplasmicReticulum · 18/05/2013 19:13

Schmaltzing they make your cheeks a bit pink.

I love "student of the Mail". I'm going to use that one. It's so descriptive.

Tee2072 · 18/05/2013 19:16

Clay I literally snorted at that even before I read your snort. Grin

claig you said "So slagging off the OP and now me is what you class as fun?" Only, I haven't actually slagged off the OP, just you. Therefore, by syllogistic logic, you must be the OP and you and a sock.

Sorry, is that too big of a word for you?

Takver · 18/05/2013 19:18

Re. yields, the following is from a briefing on the IAASTD report, which is the most comprehensive that I am aware of:

"The IAASTD observed that the evidence regarding GMO impacts on yield is sparse, highly variable and mostly anecdotal. Yield declines have been consistently recorded in GM soybeans and maize, while yield gains have been reported in some situations and no yield effects at all in others. In many cases, yield benefits observed in GMOs derive from the developer?s use of high-yielding modern varieties developed over time through local and conven- tional breeding, rather than from the genetic engineering technology itself."

The briefing is here and the relevant quotes are on p5. The briefing is from the Pesticides Action Network in America, so not impartial, but the IAASTD report was a committee of experts and initially contained representatives from both Monsanto & Syngenta.

There's a useful commentary on the report here

"The IAASTD draft document is surprising for still another reason. Although supported by the World Bank, it does not offer much support for transgenic crops as the best hope, or even as a particularly useful tool, to alleviate the agricultural ills that beset developing countries, the hungry and the poor.

Most likely, inclusiveness and scarce support for GMOs by the IAASTD are in fact connected. It is probably no coincidence that a document arrived at transparently, using a tolerably democratic process (i.e. it was not written behind closed doors), and using a multidisciplinary approach, should conclude that GM crops have ?lingering safety concerns? and may even be harmful to rural development.

These conclusions in general, and the lack of support for GMOs in particular, are immensely unwelcome in some quarters. The publicity machines of Monsanto, Syngenta and others have not spent twenty years carefully positioning transgenics as the solution to every agricultural problem in order for them to be ignored by the largest and most diverse collection of agriculture and development policy experts ever assembled.

Last October, Monsanto and Syngenta resigned altogether from the IAASTD project. Though they gave no public reasons for their resignation, the industry body CropLife International told Nature magazine that an inability to make progress in arguing for GMOs was the fundamental reason (1)."

Takver · 18/05/2013 19:19

My apologies, that was a mammoth post Blush