to be pretty terrified that being a child abuser

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has actually caused some people to rise to positions of power only because Parliament's power has been corrupted absolutely:

spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/the-dirt-book-how-the-sexual-abuse-of-children-is-used-for-political-gain/

Following the developments of Savile, I continue to be shocked, saddened and horirified on a daily basis - I just cannot get over the depths of this and how far up and nationally this goes. WTF is going on? It took Portugal 7 years to sort out the Casa Pia orphanages abuse network with their very own Savile TV type figure involved. I cannot give a shiny shit about EU referendums and Nigel Horsey Mirage while we now know all this....2015 election has no other issues surely? So long as any party is protecting alleged child abusers within their ranks and preventing due process of criminal justice system being applied to them for a court to find innocent or guilty, as with all other subjects of the law, none shall be above it, then they cannot have be entrusted with power.... how do we know child abusers aren't influencing sentencing guidelines for child sex abuse offences for example? spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/05/13/the-sentencing-council-and-other-legal-panels-took-advice-from-convicted-paedophiles-about-sentencing-for-paedophile-offences/

Am I being crazy to think people would be shouting from rooftops about this if they knew, or does everyone already know and just accept this is the way it is? Not paedo hating public hysteria....I'm a pacificst and I want to see democracy fixed so more like a very severe public Paxmanesque probing on National TV for some of those in charge of the various child abuse inquiries that have thus far been unable to provide proper resolution over the question of abusers in power and children in care being trafficked round the country to be sexually exploited? Why is at the very least this not happening?

in my experience, paedophiles do not abuse children because they are attracted to them. It's a power thing. They want to control the child. It's not because they think "Oh my, she's so beautiful, I must have her" it's because they want to be in control. Hence the "Don't tell your mom and dad" or "No one will believe you" or "I'm the adult, everyone will agree with me"

I'm sure I read somewhere, or was it told? that getting groups of paedophiles together just makes them encourage each other and live off the stories. I can't see how something like group therapy would work to be honest.

Indeed ryan there is a huge problem in under-reporting of sexual attraction to children (presumably because of the reactions shown on this thread) so we have no earthly idea what fraction of paedophiles commit abuse.

If wikipedia is correct in ball parking the rate as around 1:20 people then only a tiny tiny fraction are going on to abuse.

There is also a thing with digitally altering images of overage women to make them look childlike. For the purposes child abuse free porn.

Almost all people who view normal porn have utterly failed to follow this up with a criminal act, be it rape or DV or anything else. To assume that anyone viewing abuse free porn made to look like children would automatically offend is spurious.

frying lots of people abuse others including vulnerable adults. I think that should be viewed as separate to those who abuse children specifically because they are sexually attracted to them.

The definition of paedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to prepubescent children. But the media would have you believe that practically any one anywhere who ever hurt a child did so on sexual grounds...because it sells more newspapers.....because people are strangely more revolted by sex with a child than murder of a child.

This thread gets even more disturbing, and the apologists are out once again. Hiding thread!

pumpkinsweetie you do not regard finding ways of preventing abuse of children important?

(PS can I just point out that 'Ryanboy' is a nickname for DS - I am female!!!}

So now we've moved on to digitally altering existing images of women performing sexual acts to make them look like children performing sexual acts?

This is no longer a sensible debate. I simply cannot comprehend that anyone would suggest that this was okay and am, frankly, sickened, that on a parenting website any other parent would agree. I'm hiding this thread as, frankly, it's distressing to read.

Before i leave, that is not what i said. No one knows the answer, but therapy certaintly doesn't work, locking them up for life is the only answer.

Totally agree ballinna, it has reached beyond sick suggestions. I think this thread needs to be pulled tbh.

Ryanboy's post at 08.53 has just turned my stomach. I bet paedophiles reading this are feeling very hopeful. .

pumpkinsweetie and ballinacup I am sorry to have offended you, that wasn't my intention.I understand that it is a very sickening topic but I don't think burying your head in the sand and hoping it will all go away is a very constructive attitude.
We need to prioritise prevention of abuses taking place

Going to an end point...any human that wants to hurt any other human (I would add animal/living creature too), be it sexually (and no matter the age), or physically, for whatever urge it satisfies (power/sexual), should be given drugs to make them unable to act on those urges until we create the Brave New World that doesn't have such people in it.

There is no point in finding discussion "sickening" etc. It is discussion and exploration in the hope of leading to answers.

Computer generated images of child abuse? Digitally manipulating images of grown women to make them look like prepubescent children? Who in their right mind is going to agree to draw the images or havetheir image altered in this manner. The porn stars, the pedophilies?

What if manipulated images are not the pedophiles 'thing' what are you going to provide as wank fodder for them?

What if the pedophile wants to go beyond computer generated images cause it just ain't doing to for them anymore?

I seriously doubt you understand anything about pedophilia, child sexual abuse or the effects it has on the victims.

It's debate though pumpkin debate leads to change.

Strange I feel the need to say no one on this thread thinks peadophilia is OK.

However, the 'lock em up and throw away the key' attitude just isn't working we need to know who they are first, to tackle it in any way, digging out the pitchforks just drives them underground.

Having authorities that are unbuyable (not a word I know, I'm tired) would help, but that's about as likely as my toddler sleeping through the night.

FWIW I think medicinal castration is the only answer. Again though, you have to catch them first.

This thread is disgusting.

Cuntchops they also have to agree to undergo the treatment, when you're dealing with someone who believes they have done nothing wrong, they are just misunderstood or not accepted by society just yet, how do you get them to agree?

You don't. If they are caught abusing a child, it's a rehab treatment secure unit, until the effects of the drugs are working and they are no longer a threat to children.

If you remove the stigma attached to having sexual feelings towards children, then why exactly would people volunteer to get help? Why would you need to get help for something that society views as perfectly acceptable.

How exactly is it going to help victims of people who act on their abuse, if they know pedophilia is socially accepted? Do you think that'll help victims come forward?

but someone who has just felt sexual desire towards children and done nothing but had those thoughts has done nothing wrong we need to work with these people to help them manage this

those that have acted on their feelings need t be punished but also treatment should be there for them, some of them will not want to change but some will and helping them manage their feelings may stop more children being abused

as a society not being open to discuss this and deal with it leads to people hating themselves, what good is that it could lead to more harm. I believe that people are on born good at times what has happened in their life leads them to harm others it is not an excuse but we need to understand the reasons why people do. Someone who has sexual feelings towards children does not make them a horrible person it is their actions that do

If they haven't acted on their desire then that's likely because they know they're wrong. So why remove the stigma attached to it? Why shouldn't there be a stigma attached to something that is fundamentally disgusting.

I don't think it is going to be possible to have a reasoned, productive debate about this on a parenting website

'If they haven't acted on their desire then that's likely because they know they're wrong. So why remove the stigma attached to it? Why shouldn't there be a stigma attached to something that is fundamentally disgusting.'

Because they are law abiding citizens born with a condition, they did not ask for.Why should they ne stigmatised

Completely agree with cuntchops. If a debate isn't held about the best way to treat paedophiles then how can we as a society deal with it.

I used to work on the SOTP programme in one the most notorious prisons in the country and have met 100's of paedophiles. Some sex offenders genuinely didn't see anything wrong with the offences they had committed, others had tried to suppress their feelings for years and they believed if they had earlier intervention then they would not have offended.

I know it's an emotive subject but we need a sensible conversation about this