To feel disgusted that Elle magazine are touting porn star Sasha Grey as a "feminist"?

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So I have seen a lot of porn and Sasha Grey is a very popular porn star. Mainly because she does very extreme stuff, for example the kind of scenes where she is gagged with a man's cock to the extent that she us virtually vomiting. And she acts like she is loving it. One of the quotes in the magazine article from one of her films is, " Rip my fucking holes open". It's the most brutal, mistogynistic, woman hating porn you can possibly experience. And she is talking about it as being liberating and empowering for women. I'm no prude but her stuff sickens me. And now she's written an erotic novel and has an interview in Elle magazine where the cover line is, " writer, actress, feminist,porn star".
Makes me absolutely despair of where we as women have come to if she is being described as a "feminist". She is absolutely everything anti feminist to me. Any thoughts? Also if you have never seen her stuff, prepare to be appauled...

Isant Elle's target reader age group 18-49? So not aimed at minors.

Miley Cyrus on the cover isn't targeting 18-49 years is it ? Look here

Ok, so the discussion has moved on a lot, but I've only just found this thread (and waded through all 13 pages of it!), and really wanted to respond to this specific point:

what is you think will happen as a result of these people being encouraged to have violent sex in their leisure time?

In some cases, nothing much - they'll just end up having consensual violent sex in their leisure time. But in other cases, men might be given a skewed idea of what it is reasonable/normal to expect of women. In turn this might lead some of them to pressure their partners into acts they do not want to do (particularly awful the younger and less experienced and confident his partner is). In extreme cases, this might produce a mindset where a man rapes a woman either because he sees it as the only way of getting what he, due to his warped perception of reality, feels 'entitled' to, or because in this warped perception the act of rape itself has become normalised.

As someome who has been raped by a partner, this kind of bothers me. And indeed, it bothered me before that happened to me.

If I may take a leaf out of your book and be horribly impolite, AF - leave me the fuck alone now. Do you think you can manage that?

Binks, like several people have said now, it's not about you.

So stop making references to me. It's getting tedious now.

We don't agree with each other. Deal with it, please.

Is she not just doing the bloody hell I'm a grown up now not a child star lets have a grown up make over and do a photo shoot just like what's her face from Harry potter did.

My understanding of Elle is its mainly subscription buyers (more likely to be over 19) and its average reader age is about 34 ish the advertising and fashion stuff in it tend to be aimed at people with more accesable income so not your average teenager.
Its layout tends to be not like mags like sugar ( shocking mag aimed at teenagers) and much more like a grown up one.

Excellent link, kinky.

That article by Gail Dines is harrowing.

I don't know how anyone could read that and then go yeah, this stuff is fine.

It's like reading a description of torture..well, I suppose that's what it is, isn't it? Horrible.

Binks, you are not the only one to reference your deliciously nasty-but-safe sex life with Nigel as an argument to support the depiction of violent sex acts in porn on this thread. You certainly have had your share of supporters here.

What would be weird is if your partner really was called Nigel.

Naughty Nigel?

I am sure Binks's Nigel is a very nice man. This is my point.

I'm not even in a relationship, if you're that desperate to know. The only thing I'm hoping to put to bed tonight is your constant sniping.

Do you know any men called Nigel ?

AnyFucker

You have no comment on the article itself, hamster ?

I thought I might take a leaf out of your book and snipe at the author instead. Sisterhood, innit?

Sorry you had those experiences, FA. I also doubt you are alone, and sadly I think more and more teenage girls are going to learn these lessons the hard way too

I am sure your post must have crossed with FA's, FPH.

No-one is that massively insensitive.

Thank you for sharing that Flighty. I don't think it's OT at all, quite the opposite.

for you, FA.

Your viewpoint is very interesting flatpack.

I welcome your contributions to this thread.

AnyFucker

I am sure your post must have crossed with FA's, FPH.

A casual inspection of the times of our posts would confirm that to any observer.

No-one is that massively insensitive.

How interesting that you choose to distract from your casual bullying of Binks by sniping at me. Perhaps we should talk more about your strong sense of community that all women have and the bonding that feminism brings.

limitedperiodonly

Your viewpoint is very interesting flatpack.

I welcome your contributions to this thread.

And I yours - whatever they are. Which of my half-dozen posts earlier in the day did you welcome the most?

I couldn't put a cigarette paper between any of them flatpack.

They were really, really good.

Flighty

I had a friend who was routinely beaten up, sexually abused, raped by her much older boyfriend. He had an obsession with porn surprisingly.

SG can be a feminist, if course she can. People can be many things over the course of their lifetimes and it may be she no longer sees her career in the way she once did.

She was little more than a child when she started it if she was 18.

I think it is interesting how may people have said it is okay becase it is her choice, I doubt it is completely though. I would be amazed if she has come from a secure background, it is likely there has been abuse in her past which is why she thinks this is a good way to earn money. Because she isn't worth anything more than this.

That is not the same as memaking a determined career choice or deciding that I want a certain type of sex. This is a damaged individual with a skewed view on human relationships.

Of course I don't know that for certain but 60% of sex workers have suffered from childhood abuse. That doesn't include domestic violence, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, so that poor woman is probably a very damaged soul.

But, yeah, she chose her path so that's all okay.