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Is it ever appropriate to break the 4 walls of a family and tell a friend a family secret?

43 replies

HoveringKestrel · 30/04/2013 01:19

If a family problem is bothering you, like your sister is having a problem with her husband, or if your Mum is feeling down and asked you not to tell anybody, or even if you have a problem of your own....

Do you trust a friend?

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Sunnymeg · 30/04/2013 08:37

It might give your friend ammunition if you ever fall out. I have a friend who I was really close to a few years ago, not so much now. She knows stuff I wouldn't want broadcast to other people. I tread a very fine line with her, as ever since she met her new partner the dynamics of our friendship have changed. I can't stand him and he has upset my DH and I on more than one occasion. I would like to drop her as a friend but know I need to keep her onside.

Tailtwister · 30/04/2013 08:45

I have never understood the need to divulge other people's private information. When someone tells me something and asks me to keep it to myself, I do. I'm amazed by the number of people who appears to be unable to wait to spread the news around, often accompanied by the phrase 'I'm not supposed to tell' or 'don't tell anyone I told you'. It's a bloody secret, keep it to yourself!

In any case OP, I understand it is hard to carry the burden of some secrets, especially when you aren't able to discuss them. However, you have to consider that this information isn't yours to pass on and share with anyone (trusted friends included). If you have been entrusted with information and don't keep that person's counsel, you may lose their trust in the future.

The only time I would break someone's trust is if I thought they were going to endanger themselves or someone else. That's a different situation altogether.

CinnabarRed · 30/04/2013 08:46

The thing about 4 walls is that there should always be a door as well.

diddl · 30/04/2013 08:53

Well going back to the OP. yes I have friend(s) I could trust.

But a lot of stuff-concerning me, I would only tell my husband-that's just how I am.

If my mum were feeling down or my sister having problems with her husband, I wouldn't feel the need to tell anyone about that.

freddiemisagreatshag · 30/04/2013 08:54

I feel really uncomfortable with the "break the 4 walls of a family"

lottiegarbanzo · 30/04/2013 08:55

I've never heard of this four walls thing either, yet you used the phrase as if it was in common usage. Is it a regional expression?

I don't recognise the concept either though, of families being enclosed communities, sealed off from the rest of the world. That sounds like a description of the way terrible things are concealed. I'm sure the mafia have reinforced walls. Who controls the door to your walls?

I do understand that there is family business that doesn't go outside the family but that is usually stuff common to the whole family and not very interesting to other people, not individual business. IME the happiest families are the open, outward-looking ones who are good at welcoming others in, not the selfish, suspicious, secretive ones, who see family as a unit of extended self-interest, against the world.

Anyway, on secrecy, I see relationships as individual and operate accordingly. I am very discrete and that's why people tell me things. I don't need to share everything about myself and am wary of people who do, as they will do the same with anything I tell them about me.

The idea that a secret is a burden and you must be allowed to unburden is potentially never-ending, as each person unloads onto the next. That's why counselling is a good way to unload without fear of unintended consequences.

Generally though, if something is worrying you, you should address it, be that by discussing it with the person concerned, or telling them you cannot bear the burden of being their confidante any more, or by discussing the issues with someone else. If you're concerned about secrecy you need to choose someone very discrete. You can usually tell from what people tell you about themselves and others, what they will pass on about you.

pickledginger · 30/04/2013 08:57

I tell DH stuff about my family and vice versa. It stays between us though. I tell friends broader stuff about family for example someone being ill or the little stuff your relatives do that drive you mad but I would never get into personal stuff about them. There are things I'd never tell DH too. If my sister or mother is venting to me about personal stuff with my father or BIL that's private. If it's them being awkward that's one thing, but if it's about their relationship then it's not my right to share it.

quesadilla · 30/04/2013 09:02

I also find the idea that taking stuff outside the family is taboo faintly disturbing. Secrets that are shared are more likely to spill more broadly and you do need to be careful about respecting the sensitivities and privacy of others close to you but I don't see why family per se - as opposed to close friends should be some fortress you don't ever breach.

lottiegarbanzo · 30/04/2013 09:03

Btw, I'd also question why you need to discuss these things with others. This depends if it is every time, or just on rare things that really bother you. Do you not trust your own judgement? Are you not capable of offering your perspective, some support and leaving it there? If that's the case, you need to tell people not to confide in you, as it causes you more turmoil than is worth the support you can offer.

AmazingBouncingFerret · 30/04/2013 09:03

I think the 4 walls thing is something to do with the metaphorical family home. What goes on in these four walls, stays in these four walls...

Hmm I think

TSSDNCOP · 30/04/2013 09:12

Three may keep a secret if two of them are dead.

Maryz · 30/04/2013 09:13

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Canttrustwonttrust · 30/04/2013 09:19

A 'friend' of mine asked me to confide a very serious thing (serious for me, limited effect on them in reality, in spite of their belief that they are the centre of everything), promising that whatever it was, it would remain confidential.

I always wished I hadn't because the person made me feel I had burdened them (despite having insisted on being confided in, not told without warning) and went on to betray the confidence, causing a great deal of additional distress.

It has left me completely unable to trust anybody and as a result I am not able to have friendships that go beyond the superficial.

poozlepants · 30/04/2013 09:25

If someone tells me a secret and asks me not to tell then I won't. Experience has taught me that passing it on will only come back to bite you in the bum- especially if its small stuff like people not getting on. Doesn't matter if it's family or not. The only person I can trust not to tell is me.

mrsjay · 30/04/2013 09:28

im not sure what this 4 walls is all about tbh it is a little strange phrase, anyway If you are having problems then of course you can confide in a friend or relative

montage · 30/04/2013 09:33

"I think the 4 walls thing is something to do with the metaphorical family home. What goes on in these four walls, stays in these four walls..."

I was brought up with that. It is horrendous when people then confide stuff in you (I'm talking about confiding to a child) and leave you no recourse or any way of getting help without breaking the "family rules."

DeWe · 30/04/2013 09:50

I understand what you mean by 4 walls.

If someone has asked you not to tell, then you don't, unless they are putting their/others life in danger. (like in child protection you don't promise not to tell what a child's about to confide in you)

If you're discussing someone elses secret that could make other people react differently to them, you don't tell anyone who would come into contact with them, and only then if you can trust that person not to tell anyone at all. I have a friend who I could tell in that situation, but only one I would be totally confident wouldn't speak to others.

If it's going to put the friend in an awkward position where they feel they have to tell someone (eg dp burgled the pub last night and has given me the money-they may feel that they ought to tell the police, but feel that's betraying you) then you don't tell anyone.

Basically if you feel it's a secret then I don't think you should generally be telling anyone except possibly helplines/councelling.

If it's family matters, as you imply. I think it goes under my second point. If it shows someone else in an unflattering light, then you idealy don't tell. If you feel you need to discuss-not gossip, but discuss it, then pick a friend who will not talk to anyone, and has no contact at all, even indirectly, with the person effected. If the person effected has asked you not to tell then you don't anyway.

mrsjay · 30/04/2013 09:56

Oh ok I don't like the idea of keeping things in the family and family only everybody needs a safety net and if it is an outsider to confide in then that is ok, I grew up witnessing domestic violence it was not spoken of rule not to tell anybody and explain away my mothers bruising, not healthy for anybody imo

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