To want to know why the making a mess in the café thread disappeared?

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Seriously, how in the blazes can it have broken the Talk Guidelines?

I had some choice comments about entitled MC parents using cafés as a miraculously self-cleaning weaning space (and then leaving a shit tip) but the thread has gone.

I'd been looking forward to it all bastard day.

BlackeyedSusan

I think I remember someone who worked in a cafe/restaurant/pub saying they prefer the rubbish to stay on the floor so it could be swept up rather than transferring dirt from the floor to the table.

This I don't understand because surely when you spray and wipe the table you are getting rid of any dirt and bacteria anyway?

Oh God - I can't NOT pick up the detritus. I mean I feel terrible guilt and KNOW I am being judged for having non-perfect children who miss their mouths etc and now I will also feel guilty and KNOW that I am being judged for being a control freak supermum loud parenting wannabe who just wants to look good and is actually making life harder for others.

I hate mumsnet sometimes - it does nothing but make me feel shit.

By mums for mums - yeah right!

Oh crap- it's an absolute minefield!

LRD - I like that idea!

Do you have any idea of the hoops we have to go through with risk assessments and training on these very issues? Written assessments. Proof of training blah blah blah. Welcome to the world of catering.

I'm intrigued. I've worked in catering for nearly 20 years and I've never encountered any of this WRT cleaning.

Sarah - I don't think there are any children who don't miss their mouths are there? If it makes you feel better I certainly don't sit in a coffee shop making note of the parents who do or don't clear away every bit of evidence of patronising the establishment - each to their own.

And TBH I find Madame's whole ethos on this thread a bit bizarre. I'd much prefer customers to make at least some effort to gather the mess together if there's a lot of it. It is - obviously - much easier to sort out a table if all the crumpled napkins, empty yoghurt pots etc are in one place, as opposed to strewn all over the table, chairs and floor. No one expects a customer to walk away from a table leaving it in an instantly reusable condition - I've never worked anywhere where tables weren't automatically sanitised after every use, regardless of how they looked - but there is a middle ground between chaos and perfection.

THere is absolutely no way I could leave a table where my family were sitting with lots of debris and unreasonable mess. My own sense of pride would not let me. I would assume that tables would be regularly wiped down even if they didn't have large crumbs and spills on them.

Marm - no, she stressed more than once she is NOT the owner of that café, sorry to correct you again. TSC has been a long time MNetter whom many know in RL.

please - didn't say she wasn't, I was merely pointing it out as: a) the OP on the other thread had popped up out of nowhere and then vanished; b) some of us know TSC is not the owner precisely because she is a long-term MNetter whom some have got to know in RL

This is true skipped but I think DS only thinks something is worth eating if it has been smeared on his chin or the floor first!

Anyway I've remembered that quite often when I go into a cafe/tearoom pub etc and get a high-chair for DD I often have to give the high-chair a wipe over BEFORE I use it so obviously the waitresses etc are not necessarily that much better than me at cleaning up the mess! So there!

I would have thought people would be reassured that cafe owners and staff don't give a hoot how much mess you dcs make. All they want it you to have a good time! And come back again!

A little tidy is considerate, but not mandatory, and no one should ever imagine they are being judged.

As for cleaning and food hygiene, I assume anyone who had been in a management position would be familiar with the obligatory health and safety policy which would need to include risk assessments. And of course the environmental health inspectors always like to see a decent cleaning schedule and details of cleaning products. Staff do need to be training in cleaning for food businesses.

sarahbumbearer I know!
Minefield!