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To Love Essex?

153 replies

TigOldBitties · 15/04/2013 18:47

People seem to hate it. I really like the place overall, obviously some pockets of the not so nice, but I can't understand why it gets such a lot of stick.

I love the accents, the people, most of the areas, the location etc.

I know people will mention TOWIE, but nearly all the things they are accused of appear and often with much worse examples in all the similar shows like Geordie Shore, Desperate Scousewives, Made in Chelsea and The Valleys.

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Loulybelle · 15/04/2013 21:06

CatsMother, thats my village where your DD throws up lol

TheRealFellatio · 15/04/2013 21:12

I can answer that Tig but it's a long story. Grin

Going back two or three hundred years the areas east of a city and its main river were always the poorest and least desirable. That was because they housed the 'stink industries' - the tanning and glue factories and the processing plants, and the docks, so that any unpleasant smells would be carried out east on the wind into the wilderness, while the rich people could afford to live in the west, where the smells drifted away from them, and not towards them. So the East End and south Essex was always traditionally less desirable than places in the west. All the shit (metaphorically and I suspect literally) would have been carried on barges on the Thames, eastwards for disposal.

Later, many working class people from the East End were moved out to new build towns (Harlow, Basildon, Dagenham etc) after the war as their areas had been blitzed, and they had a bad rep for being rough anyway (the docks etc) so some areas that had been rural became full of East and North London overspill. People would move out from the East End and settled in the countryside towns they knew as children - places like Clacton and Southend, with their severance pay from the docks, and the print etc, when they all closed down. By and large they did pretty well for themselves, compared to their East Ender parents, although they still had working class sensibilities. Hence why certain towns carry a comical/negative stereotype of Flash Harry upstarts with too much money and no taste.

Then, in the eighties, during the Thatcher and Loadsmoney era, and when the city was deregulated, lots of working class kids got on the train aged sixteen and headed to London for a job, and if they were from Essex they got off at Liverpool Street, or Fenchurch Street and ended up working in banking or insurance, on the bottom rung. If they were bright they got promoted and ended up making shedloads of money, and for the first time they were competing on equal terms with people who had public school and university educations. Hence the 'Barrow Boy' label. The classic 80's city trader image of the wide boy with his red braces and his bottle of champagne and his Rolex.

I think the upper middle class types and the media intelligensia secretly despised them for succeeding and showing off and set about making them a laughing stock.

Plus, there was 'Basildon Man'. He was a construct of some political think tank, who said that the typical Tory voter was a bloke in his thirties from Basildon, driving a Mondeo. (or something) Because typically he would be someone who had achieved social mobility through buying his council house, maybe a few shares in BT, starting his own business and grafting hard, and being proud of his endeavours. (see the Loadsamoney character.)

But it is a huge county, with all types of people from all backgrounds, and people should remember that that the jokey stereotype represents just a drop in the ocean in real terms. I come from Kent originally and they are not a bit different there! People in south Essex have a lot in common with people from North Kent - the towns along either side of the estuary tend to mirror one another.

So I do get a bit irritated when I hear someone from somewhere like Dartford or Bexley banging on spitefully about 'Essex Girls', when most parts of north Essex are full of horsey girls with nice accents and Joules clothing. Grin

catsmother · 15/04/2013 21:13

Loulybelle - ha ha, must have happened half a dozen times at least. It's like that particular combination of journey time plus all the twists and turns in the road get her at that precise point. It's much safer - but not as picturesque - to get to Colchester via the A120!

Loulybelle · 15/04/2013 21:16

Understandable Catsmother, Im used to those roads, but if you got a dicky tum, it can unsettle you, never go over the bridge, near the secondary school going to Castle Hedingham, it'll make you heave.

VelvetSpoon · 15/04/2013 21:16

The Essex girl thing has been going for YEARS, well before TOWIE etc, when I went to Cambridge in 1990, all the public schoolboys in my college pissed themselves laughing when they heard I was from near Romford.

I spent the whole of my first year being asked where my white stilettos were Hmm

WildlingPrincess · 15/04/2013 21:18

Southend rocks so hard it hurts!

NorksAreMessy · 15/04/2013 21:18

bessie I am approximately 103 :)

GailTheGoldfish · 15/04/2013 21:22

YANBU, it's lovely here! I just checked the Mumsnet local site for Essex, it's a bit empty, we should try and get it going a bit!

Bessie123 · 15/04/2013 21:23

Grin I spent some time in the Embassy Club, back in the day

Worriedmumofan8yearoldgirl · 15/04/2013 21:23

Also coming out as an Essex girl. Springfield born and bred moved out to raise the kids as its too pricey in that area although obscenely built up compared to my childhood days yomping round the farmland by New Hall school!

Cazza72 · 15/04/2013 21:26

Brigit and Robot - I'm in Billericay too. Love it

NorksAreMessy · 15/04/2013 21:28

I am feeling homesick, and I left 31 years ago Shock

sara11272 · 15/04/2013 21:29

Cazza, Birgit and Robot - another Billericay girl here! I love it here too.

Bessie123 · 15/04/2013 21:30

It's all very different now - full of Barratt homes. Full of them, everywhere.

Bessie123 · 15/04/2013 21:30

Oh, I meant the town, not the Embassy Club, which is long gone

Worriedmumofan8yearoldgirl · 15/04/2013 21:31

And most of them empty too because no one can afford the over priced cardboard boxes

Bobyan · 15/04/2013 21:31

Thereal sums it up perfectly, I live near Chigwell which has the highest number of properties bought for cash in the country.
Yes some people are flashy and orange, but most people have worked hard for what they have and appreciate their good fortune.

People may look down their nose at Essex, but Essex never seems to feel the need to bother doing it to anyone else.

Plomino · 15/04/2013 21:32

I used to live in Essex having moved from Surrey , and it served us well enough at the time . It was that bit behind the property rises so we got a nice house relatively cheaply , which then enabled us to jump again to a better one when we did the same and moved to Norfolk . We lived in South Essex in Benfleet , and I made some lifelong friends there . We got married in Hedingham castle too !

I always liked the fact that Essex comes across as a very 'open' county . What you see is exactly what you get . Pretentious it ain't . And for all the souped up lowered Fords I used to see on Southend sea front of a Friday , I would also point out that there used to be the greatest number of British Showjumping Association Members in Essex , compared to every other county when I was there some 7 years ago .

LittleMissBunnyoni · 15/04/2013 21:35

I have never been to Essex but I would like to go, I know someone who lives in Saffron Walden and it sounds lovely :)

I like the accent too, really should visit sometime! :o

Worriedmumofan8yearoldgirl · 15/04/2013 21:36

You have enough mumsnetters who could fuel you on Pom bears and naice ham for months as you explore!

LittleMissBunnyoni · 15/04/2013 21:38

I could do the mumsnetters tour!

Who wants some visitors? I can bring cake :o

CookieLady · 15/04/2013 21:40

Jam thank you very much. You've really helped put my mind at ease. Smile

Loulybelle it's Great Notley.

WorkingtoohardMama · 15/04/2013 21:41

I would just like to stick up for Basildon, while I realise it lacks the charm found in other parts of Essex, it isn't all bad! Like most towns there are some nice parts and some not so nice; I've lived here for 20+ years and I'm not in any hurry to move away!

blondiemermaid · 15/04/2013 21:41

I'm in Brentwood and couldn't ever imagine living anywhere else was born and raised here Smile

TigOldBitties · 15/04/2013 21:41

Wow thanks for that very detailed post TheRealFellatio. I knew the first half as its largely my family history. However I think it's the bit about:

I think the upper middle class types and the media intelligensia secretly despised them for succeeding and showing off and set about making them a laughing stock.

I suppose I'm just struggling to understand why, and also the Essex girl stereotype. I don't know much about joules wearing horsey types but even so I don't think the Essex women I know are the stereotype at all.

I used to go clubbing in Gants Hill, Southend and Romford and raves in various fields across the county and I never found these supposed white shoe wearing girls.

Admittedly my favourite parts of Essex are the parts closest to London, but that's probably because I don't like the countryside in general, would never live in a village etc.

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