To think those who have had Botox/fillers look fake?

[KareninsGirl]

Well, AIBU?

I really think it makes people look homogenous, plastic and slightly weird.

What's wrong with a 'face that tells a story' anyway?!

One of my good friends had Botox and lip filler, from a Harley St practice. I am pretty good at spotting "work" but hers was so subtle (eg forehead still moved, lips not overly full), I was genuinely shocked when she told me. I plan on getting Botox soon, just on my 11's, but won't tell eagle eyed DH and will use whether he can spot it as the measure of whether such things really are obvious.

Patsy Kensit is another one who has the Look. But she still works as an actress despite the limited facial movement I find it intriguing more than think it looks bad, but you can't help noticing it.

I honestly think it looks awful. There is a programme on called stretch lift and something or other. It's about a cosmetic surgeon who does fillers and Botox Etc. I watch it with my mouth open. Is it just me who think they look awful. I just don't get it.

I don't watch soaps and haven't seen Michelle Collins for years but in Enders she used to have a really lined face years ago. Has it gone now?

And Simon Cowell.. He used to be so handsome.. He has pillow face now .. Not good!! Also did you see axel rose the other day?? Dear oh dear !

I'm guessing OP then, you wouldn't spot the people with botox or fillers who do look good and natural with them?

Bit like you can't say someone looks good for their age or not, unless you know their actual age...

All those ones are fillers botox is not noticeable if done lightly. I agree fillers are as the are puffy

Here it's very common, but I don't think if most of my friends hadn't told me, I would have realised. It kind of goes with the territory that women who take their health and nutrition very seriously are going to look good for their age. The Botox and the fillers just help that along.

I don't think the puffy / filler hamster look is ever good.

Botox can be ok, not too much. But then people have to tell you they've done it, which might not happen.

I'm getting it very soon, so excited. I'm 43 and not really wrinkly but face has definitely drooped. Stuff growing old gracefully, why would I want to do that?

Botox only good on dynamic lines. My mate wanted it she is very lined from sun and I went with her to consultation. The doc said it would do nothing for those lines. then he looked at me and said I was ideal candidate! I am completely unlined from eyebrows down and skin qute plump but forehead terrible. He said he knew straight away I had not worn my glasses when younger and had caused lines through squinting to read things. True! So I ad it instead of her and only have half a vial at a time and it is very subtle and just works! If you have sun damage he recommended something else called fraxil i think

I know one person who has amazing Botox. She's 40 or so but looks 10 years younger & I'd never have known if she hadn't (gleefully!) said.

It's not like Wildenstein went in one day and -bam- came out like that. Her face is the work of years of tweaking.

It took time, but she actually went in from the start wanting to made "like a cat". As in look feline. For her husband who was going off her, but liked cats. He left anyway. She carried on. He came back.

So I don't think she's the best example.

I think the issue with many female celebrities is that they are

a) held to standard normal women aren't

b) are surrounded by yes people who won't say "ermmmm...time to lay off"

c) often serviced by surgeons whose own sense of asthetics have been warped by their clientele being of a specific demographic.

There is a surgoen near me in Milan whose work has been on telly. Her "faces" are amazing. You still look 45/55 whichever you are, but a well rested 45/55 year old.

She is very expensive though. So by the time I have enough for botox I'll probably need a steel girder reinforced facelift.

You would be surprised how many people who have it - and you would never know.

I have told a couple of people and one nit wit said I didnt need it (its because its in there already!!)

I think if it's done well it isn't noticeable at first. After years of Botox it becomes more and more noticable. At first people look quite fresh faced. They tend to be the 'less if more' school of baby botoxers though.

I have Botox, not one of my mates have noticed & they are all the type that wouldn't hesitate to ask.

They have all asked me what cleanser/moisturiser I use though!

I don't look frozen, far from it. I look fresh and not cross.

I've noticed that all a lot of middle-aged female presenters have now completely disappeared from our screen. Judy of Richard and Judy, for example, and others.

Today I watched a bit of Loose Women. There is a new woman in the Chair. She's had so much botox she looks 12 when she must be in her 30s. I found it completely embarrassing and very strange. In my book, lines show your age, show you've lived, and show your maturity - all positive things in my view. Since nobody else really cares (so what if you're friends can guess or not) I think a lot of botox is a form of competitiveness.

But where does it end? If you start and it looks natural then you have to keep going forever surely? Then as you age it doesn't work as well as you end up looking like that . Slippery slope IMO .

A friend of mine had a bit of Botox a few years ago. I would never have noticed, but I did notice a bit when she stopped.

It's one of those things I find it hard to get very het up about. I do think that most people who have a lot of work done look plain awful, but frankly there were cries of horror on here when the Rolling Stones had lots of publicity shots all over the place for a new tour or something recently. So that does suggest that we as a society are becoming unused to seeing any naturally ageing faces at all in the public eye. That's not great.

Looks dreadful and downright odd.

Botox/Filler addicts - other people always notice, they are often too polite to say anything about it.

You know that 'oooh I'd never have guessed' thing they do? That's politeness too.

I think the reason I do get a bit het up about it is much better put by Suzanne Moore.

As she says - every woman who has surgery done claims they are doing it for themselves, their self-worth residing in a body to be used by others. If cutting yourself up as "empowerment" seems a little too much, then just inject yourself with poisonous botox.

(This was in Suzanne Moore's article "Seeing red: the Power of Female Anger where she mentioned the current female Brazilian Transexual body ideal).

On a purely practical point - whoever made the interesting point that it begins to look bad, the longer you do it - that may explain Cowell, Madonna's, Roxy (Eastenders) increasingly strange botox looks with the big puffy faces. But then again, if you start it, you have to keep it up. Good luck with that .

Two words - Barry Manilow.

I always know when someone's had it done.

I don't care...and I pretend I don't notice.

Even the light hand is noticible. But does that matter? Surely you want people to notice? Isn't that the point?

A bit like my hair. Yes, it's done by Big Name Hairdresser. Yes, it's subtle and meant to look natural...but would you know I colour it? Of course you bloody would!

Yes they do. But they think they don't or that other people do not notice.

One of my friends who's had it, has had it done well (botox and filler) and she can still frown, her face is full of expression and she looks exactly how I always picture in my mind's eye - which is 15 years younger than she is now - but she does look a bit odd without her glowy makeup (she is the first to admit it) and won't be getting it topped up. She has a very tiny amount, and it was done by a very good practitioner. Saying that, I still wouldn't have the procedure, the cost is too great.

Another mate has become a little addicted and is starting to look ridiculus. She has virtually no movement in her face at all, is VERY shiny, and though it has smoothed out the wrinkles she loathed most it draws attention to the ones no one would ever have noticed before. She's a lovely person, beautiful looking, but is so addicted to botox, filler, fake tan etc that she has gone beyond looking good. It's a real shame actually, because she's turning herself into this weird looking person with no visible personality... but it's her choice. She knows my opinion and doesn't give a shit, which is her absolute right.

I would never say never to procedures that could refresh me, if I had the money, but I am very wary of how addictive they can be and how they can sometime draw attention to otherwise perfectly fine areas!

I would never get Botox though.