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to think Thatcher's funeral procession will attract protesters throughout UK?

293 replies

Corygal · 09/04/2013 07:36

Strikes me they're really pushing it with a full military fanfare and procession through the streets of London - it's catnip for every pissed off Briton in the country to come and have a go.

The last people who had this amount of fuss were Queen Mum and Diana, neither of whom exactly attracted violent dissent. But a parade through virtually every main thoroughfare of the capital for Mrs Thatcher...

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mrsjay · 09/04/2013 18:09

and tbh with all the 'partying'yesterday I think they will have a rethink they will not want a riot on their hands in London again

Pan · 09/04/2013 18:15

It'd telling that across the MT threads it's largely the MT's fervent supporters that are getting deleted for breaking Talk Guidelines.
It's also mildly amusing to lightly play "right wing bingo". Points for looney-left, champagne socialists, rent-a-crowd, etc. You'd suspect a lack of imagination possibly?

grovel · 09/04/2013 18:16

This what the man who released Mandela has got to say:

FW de Klerk, the last president under apartheid, praised Margaret Thatcher, who died on Monday, saying she had a "much better grasp" of the apartheid situation than many world leaders at the time.

Britain?s only woman prime minister died aged 87 following a stroke.

Lady Thatcher was heavily criticised for resisting calls for economic sanctions against the apartheid regime.

In a statement, Mr de Klerk said: "Although she was always a steadfast critic of apartheid, she had a much better grasp of the complexities and geo-strategic realities of South Africa than many of her contemporaries. She consistently, and correctly, believed that much more could be achieved through constructive engagement with the South African government than through draconian sanctions and isolation.

"She also understood the need to consider the concerns and aspirations of all South Africans in their search for constitutional consensus."

He said Lady Thatcher had played a positive role in supporting South Africa?s own process of nonracial constitutional transformation.

"From my first meeting with her in London after my election as leader of the National Party in 1989 and throughout the rest of her tenure as prime minister, she gave strong and valued support to me and to all other leaders who were working for a peaceful, prosperous, and constitutional future for South Africa."

Pan · 09/04/2013 18:19

grovel as a raging racists, de Klerk would say that, wouldn't he? I'm not sure calling up his words are best? Possibly the ANC's take is more apposite?

grovel · 09/04/2013 18:19

Darkesteyes, I hope you read the post above and stop repeating the rubbish about MT supporting apartheid.

Pan · 09/04/2013 18:20

erm....these are words from an historic racist. Is that fact being missed at all?

specialsubject · 09/04/2013 18:21

actually I was quite fed up at the fortune spent on Princess Di, who never did anything very much. At least this one is cheaper.

Maggie Thatcher was a private citizen with no honours. She did her job (whether you like what she did or not), end of. I don't see why she gets a funeral at anyone's expense except that of her family.

Actually I think I do see - Cameron's decided to make a point at our expense.

AmberLeaf · 09/04/2013 18:22

as a raging racists, de Klerk would say that, wouldn't he?

Exactly!

That's like pol pot saying Hitler was a good bloke.

Tanith · 09/04/2013 18:25

I see that Gordon Brown and the Labour Government proposed and agreed on Mrs. Thatcher's funeral arrangements.

There are several other arrangements proposed and agreed by the last Labour Government that David Cameron's Government have had no hesitation in "reforming" or scrapping altogether, all in the name of Austerity.

Why not this one?

TheNebulousBoojum · 09/04/2013 18:25

Grin Not by those of us who were part of the anti-apartheid movement Pan.
By all means wheel out De Klerk as a character witness for Maggie.
There would be other right-wing dictators with nothing but kind things to say about her. Unfortunately most of them are dead too.

Kendodd · 09/04/2013 18:26

Sorry third time posting, but if people don't like it sign the petition. Anyone signed yet?

There is a petition

submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/45966

Although it is badly worded asking for 'no state funeral' and she is not having a state funeral anyway. Hopefully they get the intention.

I've signed

If you want to do something sign the petition and post it on facebook, that will show your opposition without even having to leave the house.

TheNebulousBoojum · 09/04/2013 18:27

I think that she should have a Ferengi funeral, true to her values.

Kendodd · 09/04/2013 18:27

Sorry link-

submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/45966

grovel · 09/04/2013 18:28

I agree that MT despised the ANC (terrorists) but know she was anti-apartheid.

Pan · 09/04/2013 18:31

KDDD - I'd happily sign it IF it was in any way accurate. Take your point about it not being a state funeral anyway, but that thing undermines it totally. If it said 'no public money to be spent on her funeral' then fine. But as it stands it makes the 'protest' look silly and uninformed? Sorry.

PeaceandFUCKINGLove · 09/04/2013 18:32

DSSDNCOP - I meant it when I said I will be protesting. Me and my mate have booked our train tickets and everything.

You owe me 8 million quid.

Cheque will be fine...... :)

Pan · 09/04/2013 18:33

Crumbs, she supported the apartheid regime as best she could! Dennis and his chums had vast investment in the country. Business came first, 'conviction' a v poor second.

TSSDNCOP · 09/04/2013 18:37

Well I'll see you there Peace. Will be wearing the MN scarf.

PeaceandFUCKINGLove · 09/04/2013 18:39

I'll keep an eye out for you. Grin

flatpackhamster · 09/04/2013 19:06

Pan

Crumbs, she supported the apartheid regime as best she could! Dennis and his chums had vast investment in the country. Business came first, 'conviction' a v poor second.

De Clerk was anti-Communist, as was Pinochet.

Luckily for the UK our foreign policy wasn't being run by a university common room in the 1980s, or heavens knows when the Cold War would have ended.

Dawndonna · 09/04/2013 19:27

Oh do grow up, flatpack. It's all there on record. She did not support the anti apatheid movement. For a kick off, too much had been invested in diamond mines.

Dawndonna · 09/04/2013 19:27

Oh, and I'm old enough to have been around at the time. Spent many a day lurking outside the South African Embassy.

Pan · 09/04/2013 19:28

All of which rather proves the point a few of us have been making, flatpack. ( political ideology and financial self-interest over democracy and freedom of SA people). Thanks for that.

Dawndonna · 09/04/2013 19:30

Love, just love that flatpack is supporting dictators!
Wink

NiceTabard · 09/04/2013 19:44

WHAT? She's getting a state funeral (as good as)?

Just.... What?????????????

I am flabbergasted. Jesus.

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