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AIBU?

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AIBU to not allow DD 18 to travel on her identical twins passport ?

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seenitallbefore · 04/04/2013 21:40

She is due to travel on Monday abroad with her uni sports team . She informed me an hour ago that she can't find her passport . All family frantically searching .DH and DD driving back to her halls now for further search . DD said as leaving that if she can't find it she will use her twins. Illegal I know. Don't even know why I am posting. She will need to miss the tour won't she ?

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meditrina · 04/04/2013 22:10

Not just passport though - what about EHIC/insurance?

Christelle2207 · 04/04/2013 22:18

She has three whole days to find it.

HollaAtMeBaby · 04/04/2013 22:25

I can't see the problem really. I think YABU.

ChippingInIsEggceptional · 04/04/2013 22:25

Bus & Ferry - I'd risk it. Flying I wouldn't, however, that said... I used to work in resorts, we had one client fly into resort on his wife's passport - WE noticed because when we went to get his senior pass he wasn't eligible as his wife was a year younger - so much for airport checks!! Of course then we had the hassle of getting his out to us in resort in time to get him home again!

Tortington · 04/04/2013 22:27

yeah i'd totally risk it

StuntGirl · 04/04/2013 22:27

I wouldn't risk it and I think she'd be very silly to do so.

HollaAtMeBaby · 04/04/2013 22:29

(at least if other twin is OK with it)

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seenitallbefore · 04/04/2013 22:30

I suppose she is silly StuntGirl.

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livinginwonderland · 04/04/2013 22:30

stupid idea with potentially huge consequences.

LadyBeagleEyes · 04/04/2013 22:30

I just don't see a risk.
It's not like passport officials stare at the photos much anyway, and if your'e identical they won't give a shit.
Unless since 9/11 all security is on alert for 18 year old twins who have swapped passports.

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seenitallbefore · 04/04/2013 22:31

And other twin equally silly in that she thinks she would do the same .

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LeChatRouge · 04/04/2013 22:39

Last time we went through the ferry customs, I was asleep in the back of the car with my hood up and sunglasses on, a quick cursory glance from the customs officer was all I got, goodness knows how she knew I was the same person on my passport photo.

I have ID twins and have more than once discovered that I have given them the wrong passport to show at the passport desk, always found out afterwards. Or, if we have gone up as a group to the desk, they just look at the photos, don't ask which twin is which.

I would keep looking, maybe try and get one tomorrow and then as a last resort let her travel with her sister's. Then, I would keep all the passports together in a box safely from now on.

RedToothBrush · 04/04/2013 22:41

Is it a biometric passport? (I'm guessing yes, given her age) Even if they are identical twins they will have different biometric data on the passport. Fingerprints and irises differ despite the fact they are twins.

I personally wouldn't think about the fact its illegal. That wouldn't be my concern. You might get or a punishment, you might not.

But if its a passport I would think about the consequences of if its picked up - regardless of being guilty or not guilty; practical stuff that has a long term impact on your ability to travel or work in the future. Stuff you wouldn't really think about.

If you get 'flagged' for some reason, you will always face issues at passport control and if you are deported or refused entry to somewhere it can affect whether you are allowed entry to somewhere completely unrelated and different (you are often asked on landing cards if you have ever been refused entry somewhere).

Personally I ask is it worth missing out on lots of other future opportunities for the sake of this one when all is said and done? If she can't find the passport, then she should suck it up and use it as a lesson to look after the passport - and not properly jeopardise her future.

Not to mention her sister's future too. Her sister who has NOTHING to gain as she won't be going on this trip, and potentially everything to loose if its spotted. In a situation where she did get caught and took full responsibility for the 'theft' of her sisters passport, her sister's passport would still be 'flagged' as such.

She does not NEED to go. She is being being immature and selfish for even considering using her sisters passport. Thats the bottom line in the end, I'm afraid.

CSIJanner · 04/04/2013 22:43

Get her twins passport and lock it away. Someone was jailed for 10months for using someone else's passport just this last January - the charge was fraud (possession of a false identity document with improper intention).

Apparently the passport will be confiscated and she could possibly be barred from leaving this country indefinitely, or until she has a review. Her twin may also find it difficult to apply for another passport. Not worth it really. Tell her to ring and book an appointment with the passport office first thing. An ex needed a passport v quickly and it was turned around in less than five hours. HTH!

Remotecontrolduck · 04/04/2013 23:02

Don't do it, she'll get caught out with different names on the tickets and she'll be in deep shit. She's not a child, they'll make no allowances for her. Twin or not, it's using someone else's passport and she could go to jail. Criminal record, no job, no prospects.

Try and get a next day appointment for a replacement. Lock her sister's passport away and tell her not to be so reckless.

She really needs to turn the house upside down to look for it if replacement is not an option though.

IloveJudgeJudy · 04/04/2013 23:06

I would let her if you can't get a replacement in time. DH's DB used his once when he had misplaced his. No problem. It wasn't noticed and caused no one any trouble.

PomBearWithAnOFRS · 04/04/2013 23:12

Apparently Saudi Arabian passports have the women wearing their Burkhas in the pictures....
a propos of not a lot I know, but really? her identical twin? it's not like it's stolen or forged or out of date or she has 14 kilos of heroin stuffed up her jaxi in a jiffy bag...
How would anyone ever know? Just get on the phone and pay the "name change" fee for the ticket to change it from her name to her twins.

Remotecontrolduck · 04/04/2013 23:13

Not trying to be rude, but I would discount people on here telling you they got away with it. It is entirely possible she could of course, but an equal chance she won't. Things like biometric data make it even more difficult. All it takes is a grumpy person on border control. The implications for her sister as well, for possibly allowing someone to use her passport.

It is not worth this for a tour. Seriously, if it was a family emergency I might be more sympathetic but to risk her future propects and possible jail time is crazy.

People have gone to prison for this.

Remotecontrolduck · 04/04/2013 23:14

You could get the ticket names changed of course, but even then, it's a risk. Admittedly less of one though.

BornInACrossFireHurricane · 04/04/2013 23:18

I am an absolute worry wart so I don't think I would do it personally, but can sort of understand why she is considering it. I do remember going to France on a ferry and coach and not having our passports properly looked at, nevermind any tickets (not sure why?!)

Glad my twins are boy/girl so they won't have the temptation

TheCraicDealer · 04/04/2013 23:22

Twin here too, although clearly much more of a worrier than LadyBeagle!

I wouldn't chance it, too much bother if she gets found out. All it needs is for a border control officer to be ticking the names off a passenger list against the passports and she's snookered. As a parent I'd be telling her that missing out on the trip is a consequence of being terminally disorganised and careless. A bit of a rubbish lesson to learn, but it could help her in the long run.

If it were my DSis looking to travel on my passport I wouldn't be keen unless it was an absolute emergency. Is your other DD happy with her wombmate's plan?

ghosteditor · 04/04/2013 23:27

YWBU to allow it - I agree with the worryworts above.

You can get a passport in a day - my disorganised brother did this in Liverpool two weeks ago with 12 hours before his flight. If you can't get an appointment, turn up on the door and tell security you have an appointment. DB did this (the little blagger) and had no trouble.

It would never occur to me to go once told I couldn't be seen but that's how my chancer brother makes things happen

TheChaoGoesMu · 04/04/2013 23:33

In fairness, as an Id twin I have done it too. Well my sister has used mine anyway. But we are kind of old now, I don't know how easy it is to get away with that stuff these days.

allagory · 04/04/2013 23:48

If she is at university, she will no doubt be hoping to go on to some great career at some great firm. Lot more difficult to do this with a criminal record. Not really worth it my book.

trixymalixy · 04/04/2013 23:57

urgent passport info

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