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AIBU?

Mick and mairaid philpott.

109 replies

thebody · 02/04/2013 20:55

If you pour petrol over your house and light a match.

You know your 6 children are asleep upstairs and you make less effort to save them than your neighbours did.

If you try and smear another person with the crime.

If you habitually lie to avoid prosecution.

Why is that manslaughter?

I know posters will say they didn't mean it but seriously such reckless disregard for life is murderous.

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QueenOfCats · 02/04/2013 22:07

They are scum and I hope they rot in hell for what they've done.

thebody · 02/04/2013 22:08

Hideous vile and evil.

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pigletmania · 02/04/2013 22:11

They are and have no sympathy for them, teir actions robbed 6 Chidren of their lives, they must have suffered the most horrific death with temperatures reaching over 500f my thoughts are with the family left behind, their remaing brothers and sisters

cakebaby · 02/04/2013 22:13

Murder requires an INTENT to kill or cause GBH (but results in death). I suspect the CPS would not risk running a murder trial that could be lost if the jury could not reach a guilt beyond reasonable doubt verdict. Better charging decision is manslaughter as no intent has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt. Murder carries mandatory life sentence, manslaughter is discretionary.

BabylonReturns · 02/04/2013 22:13

Sentencing is tomorrow I think.

I am quite shocked they have all been found guilty, I expected it of mick philpott and Paul Mosley, but I thought mearaid might be embroiled in a controlling plan by mick.

It's all very very sad for the remaining siblings and the extended families.

I don't know what the sentences might be, but I think that the real justice will be meted out in prison.

AgentZigzag · 02/04/2013 22:19

I'm not under any illusion that prison is anything but a brutal and isolating place, but it comes to something when you (and I don't mean you personally Babylon) only have other prisoners to mete out justice to such people.

babybarrister · 02/04/2013 22:21

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Hassled · 02/04/2013 22:21

I have a huge amount of respect for Lisa Willis, the "mistress" who got herself and her kids out of what sounds like a hideous, abusive set up. She was only 17 when she moved in there - a child herself.

AgentZigzag · 02/04/2013 22:24

If they're being sentenced tomorrow, is that quite unusual?

Isn't there normally a while between the two?

Yellowtip · 02/04/2013 22:38

Only a delay if sentencing reports are required Zigzag.

The legal definition of murder has changed over the years, so what used to constitute murder no longer does so.

Tanith · 02/04/2013 22:44

I've known of a similar case some years ago.

I absolutely believe that Mick Philpott thought he would rescue them and be hailed a hero - until the reality of the fire made him realise the terrible risk to himself. Few would-be hero arsonists understand how fast fire takes hold and spreads. The idiot in our case was overcome himself and died with the children before he could effect a rescue attempt.

So it was manslaughter. Stupid, reckless manslaughter, deserving of the highest penalty, but still manslaughter.

aquashiv · 02/04/2013 22:51

What was there movtive? To get a bigger house, to receive the accolade of being a hero who saves thier family or to frame the ex mistress.
A fire is such an extreme thing to do.

WhatchaMaCalllit · 02/04/2013 22:53

I would wonder whether the sentences will run consecutively or concurrently when they are sentenced.

pigletmania · 02/04/2013 22:54

Did he nt realise what would happen? Even if he did rescue them, did he b
Not think that he would be eventually found out

FiveGoMadInDorset · 02/04/2013 22:55

They will get or will be offered rule 45 which is vulnerable prisoners, which should protect them but not always.

Tanith · 02/04/2013 22:56

He's not the first to do it. Or the first to accidentally kill his kids doing it.

It's made the headlines because of his unusual(!) family life.

pigletmania · 02/04/2013 22:57

They did it to boost their own inflated egos, stupid idiots

Tortington · 02/04/2013 22:58

on this thread there is a link to a picture of the daily mails front page tomorrow, it is jaw droppingly awful, the way they have used these children

pigletmania · 02/04/2013 23:00

And te fact that 6 kids have died of course it's made national news, this does not happen frequently, ts te first I've heard of this kind

minouminou · 02/04/2013 23:00

It seems the children all died of smoke inhalation, so (I hope) they wouldn't have known anything. That's some small comfort.

I guess they weren't real people to Philpott...just tools, things to control and use.

Darkesteyes · 02/04/2013 23:03

Custardo i agee.
I dont recall seeing headlines saying "vile Product of Middle Class UK during the investigation into Harold Shipman!

pigletmania · 02/04/2013 23:03

It seems te Chidren were just porns fr them to make money, the tears they cred were probably for themselves. Apparently after killing his chidren mr philpott seemed very calm and relaxed

AgentZigzag · 02/04/2013 23:04

I want to make a cutting remark about what I think about that headline Custardo, but it wouldn't do how I feel justice.

Darkesteyes · 02/04/2013 23:04

The way the Mail have used these poor children to make a point is vile and disrespectful.

pigletmania · 02/04/2013 23:06

The DM is very low disrespecting those poor Chidren like that

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