To think Ofsted are like MOTs and CRBs

[HollyBerryBush]

only valid on the day they are issued and of no particular use to man nor beast.

I don't know about your local garage, if your MOT is only valid on the day then they are taking the piss...

I also find it quite useful. It means I can get road tax and drive my car legally, and it also let's me know if there are any issues I need to know about in order to drive safely, and any potential issues that I will havd to deal with shortly.

On the other hand, New, something could start festering under your car for up to a year before a new MOT would make you address the issue. I think you failed to understand what Holly was saying.

No they are far more useless, at least the check list for MOTs and CRBs has been the same for many years.

Old ofsteds let you have a wonky wheel and a squeaky brake.

The new frame work fails you for a tiny scratch in your paint work.

Same with CQC checks too. Only really apply to the day of inspectionn(although the care home I work in had a very good report of its inspection and it is a fab home all the time).

Are you being ofsteded, Holly?

I think it's better now schools are only given a few days notice. But they are never going to be able to paint a very accurate picture

I totally see the point that Holly was making. I think she has failed to see that MOT's do check for things that will become a problem later as well as what is a problem now.

That's what the 'advisory' bit is for.

The check list for MOTs changes too, btw. It doesn't continually stay thd same.

Cars develop so the test has to as well.

Are you being ofsteded, Holly?

What gives you that idea - Mwwhahahahaha!!!

Biggest assortment of odd-bods ever collected together ....

Our car had a recent & valid MOT and turned out to be a death trap, nonetheless. No advisory on the lethal components, either (not required).
MOT is just a tickbox assessment.

But I kind of think Ofsted is better because it does involve some qualitative assessment, thank goodness.

A lot of Ofsted is a tickbox assessment.

I thought most of Ofsted was tickbox, Ottilie; but I think all of MOT is tick box, iyswim.

Grim at Startail's comments. I hate moving goalposts, too.

Ofsted (and HMI up here) prove that your organisation is very good at producing paperwork and filling in forms. I am not convinced that it has any other real value.

Ofsted (and HMI) is like a woman, many moons ago, going to an unaccustomed 'do'. When they're by themselves again, the stays can be loosened, glad rags removed, lipstick scrubbed off and they can go back to speaking normally.

I suppose that at least you know they can slap themselves together for a short while but as a predictor of day to day future behaviour? I wouldn't rely on it.

Ofsted isn't even valid on the day. Who seriously thinks you can judge a lesson, let alone a teacher by popping in and watching for 20 minutes?

In past I'd agree but we had Ofsted last month and this time it seemed much fairer, the inspectors listened and spoke to everyone. The end judgement was a fair assessment of what school is actually like at the moment. We didn't put on anything amazing, we were just ourselves and it seemed to work. Wasn't actually too horrendous an experience.

The one three years ago however was an awful experience.

Agree with Hula that they are actually MUCH better now. Been through a few and the most recent seemed the fairest.

No request for lesson plans here either but spoke to pupils a lot about what they were learning, how they knew they were on the right track, what their targets were, etc.

We've had a lot of pre Ofsted stuff over last couple of year's and a big inset on the new framework, and tbf, it was pretty much as it said it would be.

No one knows what Ofsted want, different teams seem to want different things.
Glad some actually listen, feed back I got from DDs school is they were totally deaf.

There are outlines for what makes a lesson outstanding, good, etc. we've had these since the new framework came out. It's not all singing and dancing I agree. It's consistency and making sure all groups of workers are engaged and making good progress, especially groups working independently.

I'm not convinced they're even valid on the day they were issues, tbh.

Mmm, they are always historical aren't they-that's the problem.

I went though two Ofsteds in the autumn term. In the first, staff were told by the head at the ore-inspection meeting that one of the inspectors would not be wearing an ID badge and would mark us down if no-one challenged him on this, so the head appointed someone to challenge him to make sure we didn't slip up. For me, this summed up everything that is wrong with Ofsted.

*pre-inspection