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To think that we should not have to pay £40 for computer antivirus protection ?

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redandblacks · 20/03/2013 10:30

I have been quoted around that amount for this year. There are free downloads available but someone with my lack of IT ability would find it impossible to cover all bases. Is it not possible to install a few free products which will also cover online shopping (my main use of the computer)?

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Callisto · 20/03/2013 21:39

I've just paid Bindefender £50 for a year for three computers. They come top of the reviews and they have got anti-virus for Windows 8 which is important for me. I do huge amounts of surfing for one of my jobs so I really need decent anti-virus software. The free ones just don't cut it in my opinion.

PureQuintessence · 20/03/2013 21:55

Bitdefender is in my opinion one of the best home user products.

GrendelsMum · 20/03/2013 22:00

I've got AVG and Malwarebites, which are both free - Malwarebites was added when a virus got through AVG, but since then I've not had any problems.

Mrangrypants · 20/03/2013 22:08

Disclaimer - I work for Symantec (Norton) and my job is to work with our large customers to help them get the best out of our endpoint protection products and these views are my own (but based on fact).

Littlemissangrypants pointed this thread out to me; I just wanted to offer some advice.

No Antivirus product, paid or otherwise can guarantee you aren't going to get infected or have problems - anyone that says that simply doesn't understand the problem. It?s gotten far worse over the last couple of years too. Most traditional AntiVirus products work using "signatures" - these are generally looking for a specific bad file appearing on your computer. You can think of it as watching your DP/DH going out of the house in the morning dressed in black trousers and a white shirt and returning home in the evening in the same white shirt and black trousers. You recognise this person as your DP/DH and know its them - you have a "signature" for them. However, if they changed their appearance during the day and came home in an orange shirt, your "signature" which is looking for a white shirt wouldn't recognise them. This is the same way that most AntiVirus products work. Just a few years ago, we had something in the region of a million signatures we were looking for and AntiVirus worked really well then (and these million signatures had been built over 10-15 years). Somebody always got hit, then they submitted the virus to an AV vendor and they created a signature for it (sometimes we picked up the files before our customers with our collection systems) and with that signature, we could protect millions of customers. Sadly, the virus writers realised this and they have changed radically in the last couple of years. There is now a huge underground economy developed around writing virus software, much of it is paid for by organised crime.

Today, the viruses are changing so quickly, that we are adding 30,000 signatures every single day. Last year, we added nearly 5 million signatures (our total is currently around 20 million) and saw over 400 million unique viruses and it?s still increasing. Let me put that into context, that?s roughly 12 new pieces of malicious software appearing every single second of every single day for 2012.

This is what you are paying for when you buy AntiVirus software - you are paying for the huge amounts of research and development that go into building better protection mechanisms (the current trend is to look at behaviour and characteristics (i.e. you know much more about your DP/DH, how they behave, the length of their hair, eye colour, etc.) but all this technology costs money. (In Norton, that?s called SONAR and File Insight).

I'm not going to recommend anybody - I'm going to leave that to you to decide, but what I will say is that there are plenty of independent reviews of consumer AntiVirus products (including the free ones) - one great site is AV-Test - they have a large number of products under constant test. It?s also important to look at what Operating System you are running as different products can be more effective on one than another (of course a good product will get the same score on everything, but it?s not always possible due to the differences in the OS).

www.av-test.org/en/tests/home-user/

Quite often, the free products are subsets of the paid version. Companies with paid for products are not going to give their latest and greatest protection technologies away for free, so you may get last year?s protection technology for instance, rather than this years.

I'm going to close by returning to my original statement "No Antivirus product, paid or otherwise can guarantee you aren't going to get infected or have problems" as on your computer, you probably have a huge number of programs. I am willing to bet that you probably have Java installed, most likely Adobe Flash, Adobe Reader and other third party products? Every single one of these applications has had major security issues in the last few years (and continues to have them). If you are not patching those holes as well, then we are fighting a losing battle. Think of your PC like a castle, AntiVirus has closed the doors, locked the windows and drawn the curtains, but a third party product with a security issue has left the cellar trapdoor open.

So, choose your AntiVirus product based on what people say, read the reviews from the experts and choose something you are happy with but if Adobe pops up saying "please update me" or Java does the same, or even Windows asks for it then you should do it as soon as you can because you can bet that somebody is already out there being paid to try and exploit the hole in the program.

I'm not going to comment much on the Norton comments - except to say, check out what the reviewers say - many views are based on old product versions and the historical versions legacy - the new versions are fast, efficient and winning awards for performance and protection everywhere. Oh, and generally the price for Norton is for protecting 3 PC's, not 1.

If you have any questions, I'm more than happy to help.

EggyFucker · 20/03/2013 22:21

I have a question.

Do you have a brother ?

< giggle >

Mrangrypants · 20/03/2013 22:49

sorry no, there is just me

EggyFucker · 20/03/2013 22:52

Bugger Grin

As you were

Southeastdweller · 20/03/2013 22:55

Would you agree that Macs are much less likely to get viruses than PCs?

Mrangrypants · 20/03/2013 23:26

The numbers do speak for themselves, there are a few hundred Mac viruses while there are millions of PC viruses but this isn't the complete story. One of the reasons for the low number of Mac viruses is its relatively low market share (and the traditional "non-corporate" use of the Mac). As Mac's gain market share and permeate into the corporate world the risks are increasing. If you were in advertising and wanted to sell a product you would target the 90% of people you knew could use your product, as opposing to trying to sell it to the 10% who couldn't or would be less likely to do so - thats exactly what has happened with the virus writers - they targetted the majority. Interestingly, in hacking competitions, the Mac's are generally the first to fall which gives you an indication of the level of focus PC software vendors have been forced to place on their software.

We have also seen a huge rise in cross platform attacks in the last year or so. Attacks that are generally written in Java which is a programming language that works exactly the same on PC's, Macs and mobile devices can target any platform very quickly (another reason to patch Java quickly - but this is something that Apple control tightly on the Mac, so you have to wait for their patch).

Viruses on the Mac are rising and are becoming more widespread (google Flashback virus to see the change), you should still be vigilant and careful with where you surf to and what you open and should certainly consider installing some form of AntiVirus software on them - it's only going to get worse.

PureQuintessence · 20/03/2013 23:31

who'd want to make viruses for macs when there are so few around, and most macs are used for graphics work and by architects?

"Lets make a virus that is really going to screw up that building!"

It is going to change now that macs and ipads and iphones are more common place. Just watch out for those pesky iphone viruses.

jaywall · 20/03/2013 23:47

You could give yourself a lot of protection without using any AV.

First and foremost do not browse the web with admin rights. Set up a user account in windows with only 'user' rights and always use this account unless you want to change anything.

Use Chrome, it auto updates and always runs with features i wont go into but make it more secure than other browsers.

Do not install Java, if you don't use it. don't install it..it has been responsible for many Zero Day exploits in recent times. If you have to use it, keep it up to date.

Limit or even better do not use browser plug in software including Adobe PDF reader.

Don't use usb keys or unknown/unverified Disks

Use a web based virus scan once in a while.

Don't download anything you cannot be certain of. Avoid 'dodgy' web sites.

I personally have what i call a clean device. This is an android device which does not have anything installed on it other than the OS and chrome to phone. Whenever i do any shopping or banking i browse it all on my laptop and then pass it to this device and pay or bank from there. (im trying to look into a way to checksum the OS on boot to ensure it is clean)

And if you can be bothered to spend some time learning a thing or two, you can improve on this im sure. You will also learn the above will help you more than ANY anti virus software in most Zero Day attacks. The point of them being they are unknown and AV will not recognise them.

Have fun :)

aquashiv · 21/03/2013 00:34

The only time I have got a virus is when I had a paid for service - feckers.

TunipTheVegedude · 21/03/2013 08:53

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FryOneFatManic · 21/03/2013 09:56

My paid for Avast covers 3 pcs, so happy enough. I do update whenever I get the icon advising me to do this, on all pcs. I also update Adobe as soon as it advises me to. I have these programmes set to automatic update as well.

Osmiornica · 21/03/2013 11:09

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jaywall · 21/03/2013 11:34

Osmiornica
Of course they can, but they are less likely than some top of the page porn link or similar. And that's the name of the game. You cannot ensure you will not get a virus only make it less likely so and to limit the affect a compromised computer can have on you.

Anti Virus programs for the most part rely on knowing about the virus to be able stop it, if it is brand new of a type unknown (which is what zero day relates to) then you are unarmed.

In these instances then it is better to be able to recover easily and know your important info is safe than to think you are safe when you are not.

You might be surprised to hear we get many infected workstations in our networks, and for the most part it doesn't matter. The way we run our applications and file storage ensures they remain unaffected and the workstations can be restored by the users in minutes.

Obviously having anti virus is better than not having it, but it is not going to be able to stop you getting infected completely. Being aware of how to give yourself more protection and more importantly protect your sensitive data is in my opinion more important.

RooneyMara · 21/03/2013 11:44

I bought a new computer last august. The people who built it said don't bother getting anti virus - it comes with Microsoft AV. So far I have had one weirdy trojan, I think it came with Java which we installed for Minecraft - and I rang up and they said we can uninstall everything then put it all back sans the virus, about 60 quid. THey said it was a very awkward one to get shot of as it hides in so many places.

Anyway I put up with it and about a week later it was gone - I presume MS found a way to eradicate it.

No other problems so far. I wonder if anyone else knows how good this product is? As I am used to having to install stuff - I used to use Kaspersky, Avast, Avira and so on and they all made the computer pretty slow after a while.

redandblacks · 21/03/2013 16:49

Rooney but it only works if your windows is genuine and mine isn't (despite having paid over the odds)

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RooneyMara · 21/03/2013 16:58

I didn't know there was a non genuine version. Really?

SquinkieBunnies · 21/03/2013 20:40

We got a Mac Grin But on my Windows laptop I have free AVG and Spybot.

Southeastdweller · 21/03/2013 21:14

Thanks mr I'd never have thought about installing anti-virus on a Mac but after reading your post when I will do when i finally get my Macbook. Thanks again Grin

evansthebread · 22/03/2013 00:55

M'soft Security Essentials protected my machine from a virus that had done the rounds with all my friends. They all had AV from the usual suspects from Avast/Avira/Norton etc. They all got infected except mine which MSE caught. Norton and McAfee charged to remove - on top of the annual subscription!

I'm rabid about AV and have set mine to run daily updates and scans daily. NO AV will work if it's out of date.

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