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To think Bill Roache needs to hang his head in shame?

204 replies

dublindee · 19/03/2013 10:41

Just saw sky news article on my iPhone re this:

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/coronation-street-actor-bill-roache-1772534

I am disgusted. I think he should be sacked and I think he should make a public apology.

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anapitt · 07/02/2014 14:29

I am amazed you all believe the Daily Record is gospel.
I have been misquoted in the media in a far more minor capacity so am of the view that Newspaper journalists are not very credible.I have no idea if those are his views.

But I am glad for him and his family that he has been acquited. My dad is 81 and the thought of women falsely alleging things about him makes me really angry ( it has never happened)

But just continue with the personal attacks on me if it makes you feel better.

lilyaldrin · 07/02/2014 14:30

So what exactly did this thread have to do with his trial anapitt?

MrsTerryPratchett · 07/02/2014 15:10

Even a person that doesn't understand numbers very well must know that there is a very long way, and a lot of people, between 'guilty beyond a reasonable doubt' and 'falsely accused'. That is the nature of the standard of proof.

Bill Roche aside, you must be aware that a lot of people don't get convictions when the person has committed the crime, it just can't be proved. The Scottish system has 'not proven' which deals with this to a certain extent (of course it has it's own issues).

ShatzePage · 07/02/2014 15:36

He was found not guilty. The continuing witch hunt is tedious. A jury of his peers listened to all the evidence and chose to believe him so endlessly speculating is useless.

MrsTerryPratchett · 07/02/2014 15:42

They did not 'choose to believe him'. They chose not to convict him based on a system that acknowledges and enshrines the idea that it is better that 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man is convicted. This is the imperfect system we have. For civil cases the burden of proof is different.

BTW I am not talking specifically about BR but generally about convictions. I'm not saying that BR did what he was accused of I am saying that a LOT of people who are found not guilty did do what they were accused of. A not guilty verdict does not a false accusation make.

Maybe the 'witch hunt' is a way of opening dialogue about the woefully poor conviction rates and what to do about them.

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 07/02/2014 15:45

Shatze

  1. they didnt choose to believe him. They just didnt belive the evidence proved beyond reasonable doubt that he did it. Those are two different things.

  2. this thread was started before any allegations were made and was resurrected by some idiot thinking it was to do with those allegations. No-one here is being part of a witch hunt.

ShatzePage · 07/02/2014 15:50

He was found not guilty but has had to endure months of speculation about his private life. I think the prosecution shot itself in the foot when in their opening evidence they advised the jury to find him guilty because jimmy saville had got away with it.

DanceParty · 07/02/2014 15:52

Oh, not this again. Twas all done and dusted in yesterday main thread.

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 07/02/2014 15:55

Yes lots of people accused of things endure lots of speculation. Being famous doesnt make you exempt from that. His comments linked at the start of this thread probably added to the speculation. HIS comments- thst he said himself. Nobody put those words in his mouth.

Vevvie · 07/02/2014 16:21

Disgusting words that came out of his mouth in a televised interview, he can't take them back.

helenthemadex · 07/02/2014 17:14

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Varya · 07/02/2014 17:22

For me, mud sticks. The CPS don't bring cases unless there is sound evidence. Never seen Corrie thank goodness but this individual should be pensioned off into oblivion. To say he had no self control with women around him before he got married reveals a lot about this person.

ShatzePage · 07/02/2014 17:26

The CPS dont bring cases without sound evidence? Hmm

caruthers · 07/02/2014 18:37

Thankfully you weren't on the jury Helen.

Justice looks to have been served and I wish him all the best in the future.

lilyaldrin · 07/02/2014 19:18

I am amazed that anyone would wish a man "all the best in the future" when he has such vile views about victims of sexual abuse and rape.

Lazyjaney · 07/02/2014 19:19

"despite the verdict I do not believe he is innocent, nor the greasy mechanic"

Why bother with courts and lawyers and all that then? Far simpler if you just believe every accusation is true, and that the accused is always guilty. Gets you to the same place at a fraction of the price to the public purse.

Bowlersarm · 07/02/2014 19:21

helenthemadex you do, indeed, sound mad.

BoneyBackJefferson · 07/02/2014 19:35

A good few years ago (15 ish), I worked with a man (for 2 days) who someone started a "rumour" about.

The "rumour" was that he had sexual abused a young girl.
I have no idea who started the rumour.
I have no idea as to the truth of the rumour.

I do remember that by the end of the first day no-one would speak to him, sit with him, or eat with him. (I was taken to one side and had the rumour told to me). At the end of the second day he left.

There was no trial, no evidence, there was just a rumour.

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 07/02/2014 19:42
Hmm

lovely story boney

Birdsgottafly · 07/02/2014 20:07

BR is expressing a belief system that is along the lines of some branches of Buddhism (as well as others).

If you know the whole belief system then you would not be interpreting what he had said, as many on this thread are.

His answer to "are you saying that victims bring it on themselves".

Was "No".

Then, he went on to say "but, yet I am". Which is correct, as a question on such a matter cannot be answered simply and can easily be misunderstood.

Buddist belief is complex and points cannot be taken in isolation.

Mostly he preaches Kibdness and Non Judgement.

I follow a different branch of Buddihism, but I understand what he tried to say when discussing his beliefs (this shouldn't of been attempted and would always be used to attack the person, unless they were super popular).

helenthemadex · 07/02/2014 20:10

1) they didnt choose to believe him. They just didnt belive the evidence proved beyond reasonable doubt that he did it. Those are two different things.

agree with this, there are many people who cannot be found guilty because there is reasonable doubt, and I believe that this is what has happened here, due to the time that has elapsed it was difficult impossible to prove guilt. Guilty people found not guilty does happen, all to frequently sadly.

We do live in a society where there is presumed innocence, and a democratic process, which I do believe in, despite the fact there are people who get away with things, it is better to be that way than to have innocent people wrongly imprisoned.

My comments were my opinions and who knows if they are right or wrong, they are my beliefs and my views. his remarks and opinions given during the interview with Garth Bray to me show him to be a 'disgusting vile man'. I also believe his celebrity status did have an impact on the case.

Bowlersarm · 07/02/2014 20:45

Boney crazy isn't it?

Lazyjaney · 07/02/2014 20:54

"My comments were my opinions and who knows if they are right or wrong, they are my beliefs and my views. his remarks and opinions given during the interview with Garth Bray to me show him to be a 'disgusting vile man'"

Yet you refuse to accept the findings of a court of law. Massive selection bias IMO.

I'm beginning to understand why defamation and libel law exists, otherwise there is little point in having a legal process if everyone who doesn't like the verdict can just carry on making the same accusations.

WeekendsAreHappyDays · 07/02/2014 20:56

grade a fucking cunt

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