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Does anyone know anything about 'paid per piece work', please?

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landofsoapandglory · 16/03/2013 20:24

Sorry, posting here because there is more traffic.

DS1(18) had a casual Christmas weekend job at a garden centre selling Christmas trees. He worked really, really hard, made a really good impression and was told they'd call him if they had any work in the Spring.

About 10 days ago, the manager phoned and asked DS if he wanted some more weekend work, DS said he'd really like that and arranged to go in last Sunday for the training he'd need to start today. He didn't do the training, he did customer service instead.

Today, he turned up to make up the seed trays as that was what his job was. He had to put the compost into those little sections of the trays they sell bedding plants in, it had to be level and there had to be no compost on any parts of the tray. He had to fill industrial sized pallets of trays for which he would get paid £7 each. The manager told him the most anyone had ever done was 6 in a day, once they were skilled a bit. He wasn't told this last week when he went, so assumed it would be minimum wage as that was what it was at Christmas.

As he really wants a some money, and isn't afraid of hard work he got on with it. At lunchtime the manager came down and had a go at him because the compost wasn't level and there was some on other parts of the trays! (Bear in mind they have yet to plant the bloody plants in them!) He made DS1 do one of the pallets again, and accused DS of only being there for the money and not giving a shit!

DS1 managed to get 3 pallets done today which has meant he has earnt £2.83 an hour! He isn't going back next week. We, nor he, have any issue with work, but feel like they are taking the piss, TBH. We've looked at this link and it would appear they have used their best ever performer to work out how much they think is fair! Does anyone know if it is legal to do that?

To add insult to injury, at Christmas DS worked until 5.30 on a Saturday, so emerged from his shed at 5.30 tonight to find the car locked in the car park, and when he tried the gate the bloody alarm went off. The owner lives near by and came back with his wife, who bleated he was missing his tea and his wife had a go at DS for keeping his head down and working rather than asking if the opening hours were still the same!

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SolidGoldBrass · 16/03/2013 20:29

I'm not an expert but this sounds pretty dodgy. Hopefully someone with more detailed knowledge will be along soon.

Bogeyface · 16/03/2013 20:37

www.gov.uk/minimum-wage-different-types-work/paid-per-task-or-piece-of-work-done

Dodgy as fuck. Report them because they are not using the average and then dividing it by 1.2 so as to be fair.

landofsoapandglory · 16/03/2013 20:48

That's what I thought Bogey, but I have had no experience of this before. Who do I report them to, the Inland Revenue?

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HollyBerryBush · 16/03/2013 20:53

is it a proper contract?

landofsoapandglory · 16/03/2013 21:01

It's temporary work Holly. He is still at school doing A levels. They tend to take people on when they are busy, eg at Christmas, in the Spring and over the Summer.

Last week the manager said it was likely DS would work now, then have a few weeks off and come back for the Summer.

I am so pissed off. It is a massive garden centre, very posh and they make lots and lots of money, yet they have treated DS1 terribly. At Christmas he had a contract to work 8 days over 4 weekends, that they ended early because DS1 worked 'too hard' and they cocked the ordering up!

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landofsoapandglory · 16/03/2013 21:02

Thank you Bogey, I shall ring them on Monday.

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sadeyedladyofthelowlandsea · 16/03/2013 21:18

As it's nursery work, it would fall under the Agricultural Wages Order, which is even tougher than NMW. The employer is required by law to pay either the AWO hourly rate, or the amount achieved under piece rate, whichever is greater. And unlike NMW, an employer MUST pay overtime after 8 hours a day and/or 40 hours a week.

Linky

landofsoapandglory · 16/03/2013 21:37

Thankyou Sadeyed. If it does fall under that, then they owe him money from Christmas!

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sadeyedladyofthelowlandsea · 16/03/2013 23:46

From what you've said it does. The AWO is fairly hellish for employers to navigate (you don't even want to know how we calculate holiday pay for piece rate workers. Your head would explode), but it does mean that workers don't get exploited.

DEFRA will have more info, but I know there is a time limit on employees claiming unfair pay, so your DS needs
to get on with it.

sashh · 17/03/2013 04:11

He has to be paid minimum wage.

Piece work is legal, it is common in fruit/veg picking but if you don't do enough you have to be given minimum wage.

landofsoapandglory · 17/03/2013 10:38

Thank you both. I shall ring the numbers on the links tomorrow when DS is at school, and then get him to contact them by letter or email on Tuesday.

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sadeyedladyofthelowlandsea · 18/03/2013 21:40

How did you get on?

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