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To think there is not really any chikdren in poverty in the uk

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Domjolly · 16/03/2013 09:36

I think last nights comic relief has really brought home to me and my family that there is not really any children in the uk who live in REAL poverty

There is not one child that has to walk 3 hours to school
There is not one child that cant get some form of education
There is not one child who can get medical intervention
I think you would be hard pressed to find familys which children who are homeless or who dont have clean water and sanitation

And i actaully now thing people who say this is insulting to children who do live in real poverty

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MrsKeithRichards · 16/03/2013 12:55

Oh yes, cheaper accommodation, jolly idea that.

People are trapped in high rental properties, the prices of which that have been artificially inflated over the years by a mix of greedy landlords and compliant government policy. Local council sets a maximum that say a single mum with 2 kids can claim in housing benefit. Surprise surprise landlords charge that maximum.

But don't worry, the cap will sort that out. The people living in these properties paying over the odds will have their benefit cut and will have to make up the shortfall out of some other source.

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DioneTheDiabolist · 16/03/2013 12:58

Vivienne, family support makes a huge difference, as does health and whether you live in a rural or urban area. A broken cooker or fridge can mean the difference between eating a meal or surviving on one Weetabix a day.

gordyslovesheep · 16/03/2013 12:59

poverty isn't just financial ...we have real poverty here.

FanFuckingTastic · 16/03/2013 12:59

I guess we would have been properly starving if it hadn't been for a food bank keeping us fed when the benefits system stopped my income support for six weeks due to an admin error.

And we will be homeless come May, with nowhere to go if the council has it's way. A household with a disabled parent and a disabled child, possibly we'll go into a hostel, which will be a complete nightmare. That'll feel like poverty.

I've had a few brushes with the bad end of things and I fight all the time to keep us shipshape and still afloat.

gordyslovesheep · 16/03/2013 13:01

here

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scottishmummy · 16/03/2013 13:05

Rooney your post is wrong.children who dont attend education the school, will report to sw.there will be a mdt meeting Inc parents.

Parents on drugs, likely known to sw
Schools will report signs of neglect,poor nutrition or neglect.they have statutory duty to do so.schools have safeguarding policies and safeguarding officers

If a paren't fails to maintain good health for child thats safeguarding issue too

Your portrayal of Dickensian children isn't wholly accurate

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russiandolly · 16/03/2013 13:05

www.woodstreetmission.org.uk

nailak · 16/03/2013 13:07

smudging you have never seen children begging on london streets? the Eastern European/Bosnian/Romanian women who are forced to beg and take their children with them?

news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_9618000/9618038.stm

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0169lg6

it may be more prevalant in other countries, that doesnt mean that it doesnt happen, and there are no children living in poverty here.

There are children trafficked here.

AmberLeaf · 16/03/2013 13:07

It is so sad that there are so many people on here ready to so openly judge others
I totally agree with your point about Daily Mail comments, can't say I've been on Netmums

I suppose Netmums isn't all bad, but this kind of attitude seems more prevalent there and goes unchallenged a lot of the time.

vivienne
I never feel very moved by this kind of stuff written in the UK

Thats a common attitude. easier to feel pity for things that are very far removed from your own circumstances, you are only a few bad breaks away from being in a bad situation in this country, that is scary and for some it is easier to pretend it doesn't exist.

What cheaper accomodation?

nailak · 16/03/2013 13:08

its good we agree on something smudging!

PeggyCarter · 16/03/2013 13:09

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AmberLeaf · 16/03/2013 13:09

Just because it is worse in other countries doesn't mean we should deem dire situations in the UK as ok or acceptable.

MiniTheMinx · 16/03/2013 13:10

From Gordys link

So is there any poverty here?

Peter Townsend, the sociologist who did so much to advance our understanding of poverty and its relationship to wider society, and was also one of CPAG?s founders, certainly thought so. In 1979 Townsend defined poverty as follows:

"Individuals, families and groups in the population can be said to be in poverty when they lack resources to obtain the type of diet, participate in the activities and have the living conditions and amenities which are customary, or at least widely encouraged and approved, in the societies in which they belong.

Townsend?s definition also highlights that poverty is about a lack of resources. Poor people lack capital (both income and wealth). But they can also be resource-poor in other ways: they may lack human capital (such as education or good health), or social capital (such as positive and trustful communities). Yet it is money that, to a large extent, determines whether people are able to compensate for other shortfalls in their lives. That is why a lack of adequate financial resources is the decisive characteristic of poverty"

Poverty pushes people to the margins of society, that is why quite often real poverty is hidden, that is why it has such detrimental long term impacts on the life chances of children. Poverty in childhood leads to lower attainment, poverty in adulthood, lower life expectancy etc,... it also means that children are bullied, sidelined and discriminated against by their peers, have no access to activities and resources that would widen their own experiences and often leads to a situation of no hope, no ambition and low expectation.

Drug use, goats, tvs, fags, poor diet, poor educational achievement, neglect, hopelessness.......it starts with poverty of financial resources.

scottishmummy · 16/03/2013 13:10

Some families and children live in poverty and inadequate accommodation
It impact on health,socioeconomic and education and it's a relentless grind
But we do have free to access education,health and local authority.not perfect but still a support network

MiniTheMinx · 16/03/2013 13:14

Smudging

We can not end poverty unless we demand political change. This current government need to stop playing race to the bottom with corporate tax rates and front up to the power of global capital.

MiniTheMinx · 16/03/2013 13:15

Scottish

At moment we have welfare, education and health but if you have been following the news.......these are under relentless pressure to privatise.

nailak · 16/03/2013 13:19

scottish no not all kids have access to health care www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/03/13/erbs-palsy-baby-sanika-ahmed-denied-treatment-_n_2866288.html

and sometimes it is not the healthcare or lack of it which is causing health issues, but the accommodation and lack of sanitation!

I have a friend living in temporary accommodation, she has had letters from gps etc saying that the damp in her property is causing her dds breathing difficulties, it is dangerous etc. It is one bed property but they cant sleep in one room as damp is there, also spreads to furniture carpet etc put in that room.

scottishmummy · 16/03/2013 13:20

I dispute the fatalistic socialsciencetastic explanation that poverty inevitably breeds drugs,despair,dysfunction. No not for all.a minority
This isnt case for vast majority people with low incomes who actually bring their kids up with good values
Neglect is associated with poverty,but neglect exist across all social strata

It's this casual association poverty and dysfunction,as an inevitable borne by working classes

nailak · 16/03/2013 13:21

what government is going to stand up to global capitalism? any party or nation who wants to do so are labelled extremists, or terrorists, or a threat, or else dismissed as liberal nutters.

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JaquelineHyde · 16/03/2013 13:24

'Charity begins at home...the UK. Supporting global projects is fine too, but we do not need it rammed down our throats or via emotional blackmail. Yes, I do give to charities - those of my choosing. I know where my money and my donations of clothes etc end up - do you know where your donations end up????'

Do fuck off meeknmild there's a dear!

OP you are ridiculous I lived for over 8 months without any money (apart from CB for 1 child when I have 3!??) due to a DWP monumental fuck up and delay.

We were very lucky not to be made homeless and lived on charity and handouts.

We had nothing, not a thing (in fact some amazing friends from on MN did a secret grocery shop for me and had it delivered and I will never forget that as we had nothing in the cupboards to eat and I really had no idea how I was going to feed the children)

My DD grew out of her shoes whilst this was happening and we then had to keep her housebound until a pair of shoes in her size came in at the local charity shop. She couldn't leave the house for 2 weeks!!

We had no access to anything but yes we had a roof over our heads (just) and running water. Does this mean my children weren't living in poverty???

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