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To think that some Daily Mail journos would benefit from the Gove's rigour in the curriculum

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claig · 06/03/2013 15:33

There is an increasing number of errors in the English used in Daily Mail articles. I think some of the journos could benefit from Gove's new curriculum and the rigour that it promises. e.g. from an article today

'Arben Dumani was 10 when he escaped worn-torn Kosovo with his family'

This stuff sets a bad example and may lead to the spread of these errors.

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TheBigJessie · 06/03/2013 17:43

Normally, I agree that education is about more than workplace skills. But. There is a place for realism! I have been paying good money to study languages over the few years for two reasons:
A) Because I have always loved them (but when I was 16 I thought literature was compulsory), and;
B) Because I think it will be a marketable skill.

I am, should my plans pan out, going to be taking a student loan out, for the same reasons!

Have a look at A Level MFL rates. German is down to less than 5,000 students. To put that in perspective, 86,000 completed an A Level in Maths from the same cohort! If you deducted everyone who abhors analysing literature from my present A Level course, 60-80% would be gone! And some of them are gifted, natural linguists.

You are still assuming (like Gove) that what you like is more worthy. You think accessing scientific reports is dry. Yet I have known people learn Latin, just so they could read Newton in the original! You may remember reading classical authors with nostalgia. Others (like me) have nightmares about the appetiser of nice books and disgusting main course of taking it all apart that was Eng Lit. And still others felt that the whole thing was utterly irrelevant! Which group should be served at the expense of the rest? Why is classical literature always regarded as more intellectual than reading about discoveries developed through the use of the scientific method? It can't be anything spiritual, because I've found before that reading Caeser in the original wins pseudo-intellectual pretension competitions because it's Latin. Yet he wrote about troop movements!

Now, if you (or your child) should enrol on a language course, whether GCSE, A level or degree, I would expect you to want to learn the language. In order to, you know, communicate in it. I myself want to be able to think in my chosen ones, not translate from English constantly!

That doesn't necessitate literature (and some would say years of literature will impede you when you actually go to Sachsen or Bavaria ). Grin

claig · 06/03/2013 17:50

TheBigJessie, I think it is about balance.
When I did O levels, there was not enough emphasis on speech and I was not able to decipher real speech at breakneck speed.

We need a concentration on all of speech, translation, grammar, literature and rigour.

If you just want to communicate in it, you may not need to do an academic 'A' level. The best courses for learning how to speak are the immersion courses that last several weeks or months.

Yes, as far as I remember, it was New Labour who removed teh need to do one foreign langauge GCSE. I think they downgraded the importance of MFL. I am not sure what Gove is doing about it, but it may be that he is reversing this downgrading.

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claig · 06/03/2013 17:54

TheBigJessie, good luck with the languages. I think you are doing a good thing. Languages are alsways useful. Foreigners feel an affinity with people who can communicate in their language and understand and appreciate their culture. It is also a great thing for oneself to get clkose to other cultures, peoples and languages.

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thezebrawearspurple · 06/03/2013 17:55

It's bizarre how unintelligible many of the articles are.

TheBigJessie · 06/03/2013 18:06

Thank you!

Gove has introduced a performance measure to encourage GCSE take-up. (Probably a good move. bleddy hell did I say that out loud )

Schools will be rated on how many pupils leave with an A*-C GCSE MFL. It's going to take a few years to see whether that increases uptake. It depends on whether parents care about such a performance rating!

claig · 06/03/2013 18:11

About time something was done to favour languages. It is incredible that polticians downgraded their importance in a globalised world where languages can help break down barriers. Putin can speak German, he needs no translator when speaking to Merkel. That gives him an advantage.

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Feenie · 06/03/2013 18:30

I read one yesterday that mentioned someone's 'quiet demina' Hmm

claig · 06/03/2013 18:32
Grin
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claig · 06/03/2013 18:38

Any fule nose that should be demeena!

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Nancy66 · 06/03/2013 19:01

you'll notice that the same journos keep making the same mistake.

One always writes 'discrete' over 'discreet' and another always writes about Renee Zellwager

claig · 06/03/2013 19:06

Just heard on Channel 4 News that Chavez said he became a socialist after reading Victor Hugo's 'Les Miserables'. Amazing the effect that literature from centuries ago still has today.

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TheBigJessie · 06/03/2013 19:12

I misread that as demerara! I now have an image of someone complaining about how loud their packet of castor sugar is...

Feenie · 06/03/2013 20:28

you'll notice that the same journos keep making the same mistake.

They must know though, because I so many people will post comments about them that get strangely blocked.

FairPhyllis · 06/03/2013 21:27

I've sometimes wondered whether Mail Online's subediting is done by US based journos - some of the phrases and syntax they use strikes me as US English (I live in the US so am used to spotting it).

Nancy66 · 06/03/2013 22:16

there are no sub editors

TheBigJessie · 06/03/2013 23:24

I once commented on an article about sexual morality and the internet (something like that) to point out that there was an internet- ad for something remarkably similar to the subject of the article just below the article itself. My comment appeared, a few hours later, in a markedly different form! They just completely removed that bit.

Comments from people saying they want to see a three-year-old being knocked out appear though! Presumably unedited...

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