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To be furious with school bus driver

190 replies

WashingLion · 26/02/2013 19:13

For taking my 5year old off the bus and leaving her, alone by a busy main road, because the childminder was 5 minutes late.

And then to be furious with the bus company for denying all responsibility (this is a school bus).

The childminder is very responsible but was held up in traffic. My daughter was found wandering down the road by a (luckily) kindly stranger who asked her where I work and managed to track me down.

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DeafLeopard · 26/02/2013 20:01

That bus driver should be sacked, they have failed on so many levels. Disgraceful.

ATruthUniversallyAcknowledged · 26/02/2013 20:02

Appalling.

Did he definitely know he left her? I mean, could she have got off with someone else & driver assumed she was ok? (still needs a more robust policy in place)

scratchandsniff · 26/02/2013 20:03

Furthe I'm sorry but that's a ridiculous comnent 'The bus driver is just a bus driver and not clued up on child safeguarding'. Any person with an ounce of common sense or compassion would realise you do not leave a 5 year old alone on a road. At that moment in time he made the choice to leave her alone, he should deal with any consequences for his idiocy.

YellowAndGreenAndRedAndBlue · 26/02/2013 20:05

Just Shock x 1000

Goldmandra · 26/02/2013 20:05

I have been uncomfortable for a long time about the fact that so many children are travelling on school buses in the care of the driver only for a significant amount of time every day.

As a parent I have never been able to find out what training these drivers have but AFAIK they have no child protection training and no first aid training. The drivers of our village school buses sometimes need the children to show them the route and quite often speak no English. Once one got lost and had no mobile phone to ask for help.

I know they are probably paid minimum wage and the contracts are put out to tender so the lowest bidder wins. It isn't the fault of the drivers.

I just think that, considering the amount of time our children spend on these buses, they should be better protected.

Some of the children on these buses are reception age and are still under the EYFS. Are to EYFS ratios applied?

The bus company may not see themselves as a babysitting service but they are responsible for the safety of these children while in their care and part of that responsibility is to ensure they are safely in the hands of another adult when they are dropped off. Schools and Early Years settings have rules about who they can hand children over to and the school bus companies should be required to have the same.

I the drivers cannot be expected to effectively take responsibility for the children during the journey then there should be another adult present to take it on. It isn't OK for LAs to keep putting their head in the sand and put so many children at risk every day.

One day a child will be killed or injured because of this ridiculous policy and there will be a national outcry as people ask why it has been allowed to happen. That will be too late for someone.

What age do people think it is appropriate for children to be left in the care solely of the driver on these journeys?

BarbarianMum · 26/02/2013 20:06

'The bus driver is just a bus driver and not clued up on child safeguarding'.

Actually the driver on a school bus should bloody well be clued up on child safeguarding so he should be sacked.

Sparklingbrook · 26/02/2013 20:07

I thought at that age there would be a driver and a chaperone.

TwelveLeggedWalk · 26/02/2013 20:10

That is really shocking that would happen today.
But it's really interesting to compare to my 'back in my day' (30 years or so), when the bus just slung us out and we walked home with whoever was around.
I remember one day it snowed heavily and so they closed school early and sent everyone home by bus, they hadn't managed to raise my mum by phone (no mobiles) and next door didn't even have a landline. So the driver dropped us as close to home as he could, and we walked back through a blizzard, aged 6,5 and 4!

Chandon · 26/02/2013 20:11

Is this in the uk?

BreadForMyBREADGUN · 26/02/2013 20:12

This is awful. The idea of my 5yo being left on his own anywhere bloody terrifies me, your poor DD.

Thank god she's ok

Tincletoes · 26/02/2013 20:14

This happened to a girl living near to us:

www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/9666430.School_bus_leaves_Dorset_girl__6__in_layby_on_busy_A35/

I hope your daughter is ok

yaimee · 26/02/2013 20:14

Why don't they have protocol for this it can't be the first time it's happened. I'd be absolutely livid, complain to whoever will listen, local authority, school, company, newspaper!
I'm so shocked and angry on your behalf.
Poor you and dd!

chocoholic05 · 26/02/2013 20:14

My dh is a school bus driver school drop offs at either end of day aswell as school trips during the day. I know he's been crb checked but. I don't know about any other policies I'll ask him! :)

WashingLion · 26/02/2013 20:15

Yes, we are in Oxfordshire. It would be great to have a chaperone, I would presume that budgets do not extend to that.

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BreadForMyBREADGUN · 26/02/2013 20:16

Oxfordshire or West Ox Washing?

WorraLiberty · 26/02/2013 20:19

Blimey OP, there are no words Shock

I'm so glad your DC is ok

Definitely complain to the LA and I would also contact the newspapers

That's just disgusting. You wouldn't abandon a dog in that way ffs.

Sparklingbrook · 26/02/2013 20:21

So what happens if one of the children is sick on the journey? Or just feels unwell? Confused Who looks after them then?

chocoholic05 · 26/02/2013 20:24

He said that he knows who meets each child and makes sure they are with the appropriate grown up before moving away etc

LynetteScavo · 26/02/2013 20:26

I agree with Goldmandra.

LAs really are sticking their heads in the sand regarding bus travel.

DS uses a high school bus, so obviously the youngest are 11 and a lot more capable than a 5 yo, but it's not unknown for the driver to get lost and have to take directions from the chidlren, or deviate from the usual route to drop a child off down a single track country lane (double decker bus). The bus also hurtles down a dual carriage way at 60mph with no seat belts. As the LA points out, no laws are being broken.

All junior school buses should have chaperons IMO. It's very shortsighted to to be cutting them to save money. Sad

LynetteScavo · 26/02/2013 20:29

No one, Sparklingbrook. A bottle was thrown on DSs school bus, hitting a girl in the eye. She was an hours travel away from home.

catgirl1976 · 26/02/2013 20:30

That is horrific

YANBU Not by a long chalk

Hope you and your dd are ok

Sparklingbrook · 26/02/2013 20:32

I feel like a real thicko now. So five year olds go on the school bus with no chaperone and nobody to look after them should anything happen? How did I not know that?

CloudsAndTrees · 26/02/2013 20:34

Who is the bus company? Is it a private company, or run by the school or LA?

Of course the driver was very much in the wrong, but you childminder isn't blameless, and is actually very much at fault. Unless she or her other charges had a medical emergency, there is no excuse for her being late to collect a child from a bus.

Neighbourhoodwatchbitch · 26/02/2013 20:35

No way was it the childminders fault. Things go wrong and no amount of leaving extra early can cover unexpected traffic - example - High Wycombe has spent most of the day gridlocked because someone decided to spend all afternoon tied to a motorway bridge.

Hope it's not south oxford district council you are with! I remember my mum having problems with our school bus when I was younger and not getting very far! Hope your daughter wasnt too upset by the whole situation x

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