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to be reading my referral letter

24 replies

arrrghhhhwaiting · 11/02/2013 18:31

GP gave me a referral letter to a gynae consultant in sealed envelope. Took a sneaky peek.

It says 'please kindly r/u' (or could be 'r/v')

Does anyone know what this might stand for?

Erm, am I being unreasonable to not know what this abbreviation means?

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RevoltingPeasant · 11/02/2013 18:33

No idea what it means but I don't see why you shouldn't look and I frankly find it weird that the letter was in a sealed envelope.

I mean, that's the kind of thing you do to a child- give them a note for their mum all sealed up.

I think I would simply have asked 'Why is this in a sealed envelope? I'm going to open it.'

Bizarro!

Wink
LindyHemming · 11/02/2013 18:34

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gordyslovesheep · 11/02/2013 18:35

surely you know why you are going

rv would be review - my guess

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milf90 · 11/02/2013 18:36

Could u give us it in context? Might make more sense x

RevoltingPeasant · 11/02/2013 18:38

Agree context would be useful but surely I am not the only one who finds it odd to give a grownup a letter about herself in a sealed envelope to pass to another grownup?

No?

CajaDeLaMemoria · 11/02/2013 18:39

They do this with opticians letters if you need an urgent referral, too.

I think it's to stop you fretting and making yourself anxious, and also for data protection reasons.

R/V is review, usually.

kickassmomma · 11/02/2013 18:41

I would say r/v means review. Yanbu to want to read it but yabu to have read it. I did this once with a referral letter for my
Daughter when she was transferred I a specialist hospital via ambulance the nurse left the letter in open view of anyone who wanted to look so I did! I found out the harsh way (via google) about my daughters life threatening condition and I was worried sick all day! But then again the doctors where very hesitant to say anything about it so......Blush

ILoveMimislabel · 11/02/2013 18:41

It means review it's a standard abbreviation in healthcare ! That's all !

pingviner · 11/02/2013 19:17

please review

lots of shorthand used eg

d/w - discussed with
rx - treatment
hope all is well, dont stress

BartletForTeamGB · 11/02/2013 19:23

They probably just sealed it in case someone else picked it up? Or did it automatically? No reason why you can't look.

And yes, just means "review".

Arcticdream · 11/02/2013 19:24

review.

sallysparrow157 · 11/02/2013 19:45

This ^^ is basically why it's sealed! When I write a clinic letter I send copies to the GP, other relevant people and to the patient/parent. I'm very careful to be clear, I avoid abbreviations and I listen to what I've said and then carefully read it when the secretary has typed it out to make sure everything is completely clear to everyone the letter is sent to. This takes time - not a huge amount of time but a good few minutes to dictate and a few minutes to check - often I will stay late after clinic to get my letters done so as not to inconvenience patients.

In the case of a GP they have 7 minutes per patient - that's not just to see and diagnose the patient but, if they need referring in that 7 minutes also includes calling the hospital they're referring you to, waiting on hold to speak to the right person, persuading that person you need to be seen, writing a referral letter then telling you where you need to go. As such that letter is something that will be written quickly with as many abbreviations they can get away with, containing just enough info that the accepting doctor knows why the patient is there. If they're writing a referral to an outpatient clinic they will probably dictate this in their own time in the way I've described above but a referral to hospital letter has to be done there and then as you need it to take with you.

Sometimes that letter may contain significant information that the GP hasn't discussed with you, for example if the GP is worried that something really serious is wrong but they are very unsure and want a specialist to rule that out - they may not want to discuss that possibility with you as it may be very unlikely but just something the GP has thought is a possibility, or they may know that they can't actually answer any questions you have as it's not their speciality so would rather someone who knows exactly what they're talking about breaks the news to you. Often in that case though the GP would try their best to talk to the hospital doc on the phone (not always possible) and the letter would be an 'as discussed, thanks for seeing Mrs Bloggs' type thing.

Usually though (and I have seen hundreds and hundreds of GP referral letters in my time!), it's just that it's a quickly written letter which may include abbreviations and things that lay people wouldn't understand and would panic about, as is the case here! Also, it means the letter doesn't fall out of the envelope and you don't turn up in hospital with an empty envelope!

r/v means review. Standard doctor code, nothing more sinister than that!

arrrghhhhwaiting · 11/02/2013 19:55

Thanks for the replies, especially the understanding ones.

I imagine she gave me the letter in a sealed envelope because she didn't think I'd want to walk around wafting a letter about my fanny, for all to see. If I'd have looked more closely while she was writing it I would probably have asked her what it meant.

But it was only when I got home and was worrying about how likely the GP really thought it was that the gynae would want to send off for a biopsy (and what that implies, the dreaded C word) that I'd read the letter to see whether perhaps she had said a biopsy was definitely needed, and was only playing it down to me in her consultation with me because my child was present.

sallysparrow157 thanks for the long reply. Please don't think I was having a go at doctors using abbreviations. I was just worried, that's all.

Thanks for putting my mind at rest a little.

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Arcticdream · 11/02/2013 19:58

They always go n an envelope to the dr providing the review

GW297 · 11/02/2013 20:01

I am waiting for a referral too. It is very stressful and worrying, however hard you try not to stress and worry!

kalidanger · 11/02/2013 20:09

My latest gynae results said I was transvaginally scanned but there was adiposity.

Adiposity means FAT SmileHmm

OHforDUCKScake · 11/02/2013 20:14

Im fretting over something very similar right now. I have a polyp, I hope thats all it is anyway. I have a second scan next week and removal if its still there.

Nervous.

Good luck with yours.

arrrghhhhwaiting · 11/02/2013 20:56

You too OHforDUCKScake

kalidanger Thank you for making me smile

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kalidanger · 11/02/2013 21:00

I'm sure you'll be fine, and if you're not you're being r/v so they will be picking up anything untoward super-early. So it's all good Smile

slhilly · 11/02/2013 21:05

Sallysparrow, a standard GP appointment is 10mins not 7. A session lasts 4hrs10mins of which 3hrs is clin and the rest is to do the letters. And there's usually a session a week at least for admin.

And there's a slippery line between not worrying a patient unnecessarily and paternalistic practice.

VoldermortOrJackBauer · 11/02/2013 21:15

My GP dictates referral letters with you listening. That's one of the reasons that I like him Smile

WakeyCakey · 11/02/2013 21:34

The envelope has to be sealed. Not so you don't see it, but so nothing gets added after the GP finishes it.
You can't really add anything but its just best for them to seal it.

sallysparrow157 · 11/02/2013 21:36

slhilly - that depends on the practice and the type of appointment - when I worked in general practice a few years ago the 'on the day' appts were 7 minutes and the booked ones were 10-15 minutes. My afternoon (booked) sessions had some admin time (much less than an hour though) but the morning (emergency) ones didn't. Did have an admin session which was great for dictating clinic referrals but emergency referral letters have to be done there and then as the patient has to take them to hospital with them.

And yes, I agree that there is a fine line but sometimes I may have a little niggle that I'm 99% certain is nothing but a little worried it may be something - in this case I may tell the patient I'm pretty sure everything is fine but I'd like my colleague to just give a second opinion for some reassurance, rather than say 'well.... I'm pretty sure you don't have ebola but...erm.... you might!', but I also need my colleague to know I'm asking him to rule out ebola rather than asking him to confirm a nosebleed!

I hate dictating and also am quite particular in how I want my letters to read - I umm and pause and rewind and re-do a lot! As such I don't dictate in front of patients as I want them to retain the impression that I am coherent and can speak in full sentences! I copy all my letters in to families though.

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