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To think market forces have caused many of the current problems in the NHS?

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JakeBullet · 07/02/2013 06:51

I am a nurse, a midwife and a health visitor and have worked in the NHS since 1985. I have seen over those years massive changes in how we fund vital services such as cleaning, laundry and nursing care. I have seen the loss of trained nurses in favour of "skill mix" and have been on wards where the heavy workload has had to cope with the decrease in nursing staff numbers to "save money".

In all this I have seen patient care and standards go downhill and shouted against many changes unsuccessfully. I have watched as ward domestics have their hours cut and seen the same domestic change uniforms several times as she undergoes yet another change of employer.

In all this time I have seen wards get dirtier, patient care go downhill and qualified nurses unable to find work.

Don't get me started on how many times I have thrown out huge amounts of "headed notepaper" and other paperwork because the Trust has gone through yet another change of name and is paying for a whole new load of paperwork.

Surely all this money we have spent on changes would have been better spent in patient care, ensuring the wards are CLEAN and on staff able to give skilled care. I am not for one moment here dismissing HCAs as they are brilliant but there is not enough of them out there. As part of the nursing team they are rushed off their feet and fighting the same rubbish the qualified staff are.

I feel we have lost sight of what we should be doing in the NHS which is caring for people who are sick. I said on another thread about the Liverpool Care Pathway that caring for sick people is not rocket science. People who are sick need to kept clean (and that includes their surroundings), they need adequate food and fluids, they need their medication, they need companionship and compassion and they need those things with warmth and a smile.

We have lost our way in the NHS and are now so target driven that we have lost sight of what is important.....the patient who needs our care.

I can remember as a student nurse cleaning commodes...we would take them apart to do the job properly. We would clean beds and lockers....there was a regular "cleaning round" which was on top of what the ward domestic used to do. We would talk to patients and crucially we had time to do so because staffing was not cut to the bone. You can learn a great deal about someone from having to time to have a simple chat.....and symptoms they may have kept quiet about might well come up in conversation simply because the person has got to know and trust you.

Market forces have no place in the NHS....I am not suggesting that it becomes a bottomless pit but what does come in must go back to being used for patient care and adequate admin to do so.

This morning I find my local hospital is in the five new ones to be investigated.....as a front runner in all the market force changes I am not surprised. They spent too much time and money on their "corporate image" and not enough on patient care.

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Gigondas · 07/02/2013 06:58

Yanbu- maybe I should give you my dads number as he is sayin much the same (is dr and about to retire as fed up with it).

CabbageLeaves · 07/02/2013 07:01

YANBU

I understand theory behind market forces driving efficiency and improving standards. In practice it is flawed.

We now have a top heavy balance of resources provided to ensure we evidence that we are meeting the targets ...at the expense of staff who deliver them

I manage a service in the NHS and do every job (and I mean every job) in that service to ensure we deliver it if required. Increasingly I feel under pressure to prioritise delivery of paperwork rather than patient care. If my service was failing I'd understand the need for me to step into purely management role...it isn't but I do feel it is under threat by the burden of paperwork. The targets are not even relevant to delivery of my service but I still have to provide them.

CabbageLeaves · 07/02/2013 07:04

We've also encouraged a culture where staff evaluate care based on target meeting rather than patient care or needs. It's disgusting.

Having said all this patient care has changed (improved) enormously since 1985 when I started my career. However the progress has lost it's focus

I suspect teachers could have something to add to this...

meditrina · 07/02/2013 07:04

The issue is competency in using whatever is the level of resource available.

There are lean and fat years in terms of funding; much of what happened in Stafford was in "fat" years, and not noticing/caring that your patients are drinking from flower vases because they didn't have proper drinking water isn't a funding issue.

5 further hospitals under investigation now.

All trusts are grappling with the resource pressures and management fads.

But only a few are under investigation for this kind of failure.

MrsMangoBiscuit · 07/02/2013 07:25

I have nothing to add, I just wanted to say that I agree wholeheartedly with your OP, JakeBullet. :(

JakeBullet · 07/02/2013 07:33

Yes Medtrina you have a point about the competency in using it. It concerns me though that so many are struggling to use market forces ...and so many patients are suffering as a result.

I can remember a friend of mine who was a hospital manager (no nursing background) making changes to nursing skill mix because she could not see WHY a qualified nurse with all that training should be doing bed baths...not a good use of their time. I tried to explain skin changes, the chance to talk....little things which might not be noticed any other time. And lets be clear that patients needing bed bathing are generally our sickest and most frail and so more in need of qualified nurse input.

I suspect all hospitals will have seen unnecessary deaths as well as the ones being investigated.

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CabbageLeaves · 07/02/2013 07:38

I'm currently dealing with a serious incident (more paperwork) due to a third party we are using to save costs. Years and years with no similar incident.... 2 weeks...2 fecking weeks after using their cost cutting service and we have an incident

I will be forced to continue using them because it saves pennies (but across the Trust) those pennies count. I will deal with vociferous justified patient complaint. The NHS will take the publicity blame. The third party will continue taking money... Who wins here???

CogitoErgoSometimes · 07/02/2013 07:46

YABU to blame market forces because I think the NHS is one of the last places to not be run on the competitive principle. It is target-driven, I grant you but it is the last nationalised industry, if you like, hamstrung by a fixed budget and bureaucratic mentality but expected to meet increased demand and keep pace with technology. The exact same struggle to keep pace & cut cloth that left other nationalised industries on the scrap-heap of mediocrity, never able to go for excellence There are better models of public healthcare around Europe that manage to be cost-efficient but also very high standards at the same time.

JakeBullet · 07/02/2013 07:58

Thank you Cogito.....I am not well versed in economics I will admit. I suppose what I am looking for is a happier half way house than we currently have as I feel people are not the focus when they should be.

Must look at what other countries do with regard to healthcare as I know there are some excellent models of healthcare around.

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